Calculating Orbit Parameters Given Perigee Velocity and Period

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the orbital parameters of a satellite given its perigee velocity and orbital period. Participants explore the relationships between various orbital elements, including the semi-major axis, eccentricity, and altitude at perigee, while addressing the complexities of elliptical versus circular orbits.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the validity of using the vis viva equation and whether the perigee radius (r) can be equated to the semi-major axis (a) in their calculations.
  • Another participant clarifies that the vis viva equation is more general than the initial equation provided and suggests showing work for better assistance.
  • Concerns are raised about the calculated eccentricity being negative, with one participant asserting that the eccentricity should not be less than zero.
  • Participants discuss the use of specific equations for circular orbits and their applicability to elliptical orbits, particularly at perigee and apogee.
  • There is a request for clarification on the magnitude of velocity and its relation to specific angular momentum and semi-major axis.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the appropriateness of certain equations for the given problem, indicating a lack of consensus on the correct approach to calculating the orbital parameters.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in their equations, particularly regarding the applicability of certain formulas to circular versus elliptical orbits. There are unresolved mathematical steps and dependencies on definitions that affect the calculations.

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Hi guys,

i can't seem to find the answer .

A satellite in Earth orbit has a perigee velocity of 8 km=s and period of 2 hours. From this information,
determine all the orbit parameters that you can. From those parameters, determine its altitude at perigee
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my vp=8km/sec
T=7200sec
Vp=sqrt(GM/r)---is this right and is r =rp?





how do i calculate my semi major axis? is it from kepler's 3rd law? I am stuck at finding rp and eccenctricity and I've been going at this for hours without proper examples in books/online.

Someone please help!
 
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dorai007 said:
Vp=sqrt(GM/r)---is this right and is r =rp?
That equation is valid only for circular orbits. The vis viva equation provides a more general answer:

\frac{v^2}{GM} = \frac 2 r - \frac 1 a
how do i calculate my semi major axis? is it from kepler's 3rd law?
Correct. So show some work so we can help you out a bit.
 
but if its vis viva will my eccentricity value be more than 0.2..thats the value I am getting, this is how I am doing my calculations

1) equation 1 : mag(h)=mag(rp)*mag(v)
equation 2: mag(rp)= [mag(h)^2/GM]/(1+ecos(v) - trajectory eqn
equation 3: T= 2phi/sqrt(GM) * (mag(h))^3/2

i am to solve 3 unknowns mag(h),rp and e by simultaneous eqns by substituting all the equations into one another.

ive done it a couple of times, either I am getting a negative value for e(-0.1) which shldnt be the case.

But my qn here is. if v=8000m/sec what is mag(v)? and in this case will a=mag(h) ?
 
dorai007 said:
but if its vis viva will my eccentricity value be more than 0.2..thats the value I am getting,
Then you are doing it wrong. The eccentricity is less than 0.2. Show your work.

this is how I am doing my calculations

1) equation 1 : mag(h)=mag(rp)*mag(v)
equation 2: mag(rp)= [mag(h)^2/GM]/(1+ecos(v) - trajectory eqn
equation 3: T= 2phi/sqrt(GM) * (mag(h))^3/2
Your equation 1 is only valid for circular orbits, and for elliptical orbits at perifocus and apofocus. (Since the given data point is perigee, this equation is okay here.) Your equation 3 however is only valid for circular orbits.

Try finding a formula that relates semi-major axis (rather than specific angular momentum) to the period.

But my qn here is. if v=8000m/sec what is mag(v)? and in this case will a=mag(h) ?
The magnitude of the velocity vector is of course 8000m/s. As far as a=mag(h), no. Look at the units. Specific angular momentum(h) has units of length2/time. Semi-major axis (a) has units of length.
 

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