Calculating Potential Difference Between A & B

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The discussion revolves around calculating the potential difference between two points A and B in a three-dimensional space, using the relationship between electric field E and electric potential φ. The original poster attempts to derive the equation E = -∇φ based on given coordinates and definitions.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the definitions of potential difference and electric field, with attempts to apply the del operator to the potential function. Questions arise regarding the interpretation of potential as a scalar and the implications of the original poster's calculations.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with some participants providing clarifications about the relationship between potential and electric field. There is an acknowledgment of confusion in the original poster's reasoning, and further exploration of the calculations is encouraged.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of understanding the scalar nature of potential and the proper application of mathematical operators in the context of the problem.

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Homework Statement


Two points A and B are separated in space by distance dr.
A has coordinates (x,y,z) and B has coordinates (x+dx, y+dy, z+dz).
Using the definition of potential difference, show E = -\nabla\phi

Homework Equations


E = -\nabla\phi
V = \int{^A_B}{E\cdot{dr}}

The Attempt at a Solution


With the two formulas listed above, I think I can find V, taking E = (\frac{d}{dx}, \frac{d}{dy}, \frac{d}{dz}) from the question which means simply V = (x,y,z). Since the del operator is (\frac{d}{dx}, \frac{d}{dy}, \frac{d}{dz}), applying that to V you get E = (\frac{d}{dx}, \frac{d}{dy}, \frac{d}{dz}).

I know its not this simple because it seems like my maths has gone around in circles. Any help please?
 
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You do know that V and φ are the same parameter, correct?

Chet
 
Yes I do know that.
 
girlinphysics said:

Homework Statement


Two points A and B are separated in space by distance dr.
A has coordinates (x,y,z) and B has coordinates (x+dx, y+dy, z+dz).
Using the definition of potential difference, show E = -\nabla\phi

Homework Equations


E = -\nabla\phi
V = \int{^A_B}{E\cdot{dr}}

The Attempt at a Solution


With the two formulas listed above, I think I can find V, taking E = (\frac{d}{dx}, \frac{d}{dy}, \frac{d}{dz}) from the question which means simply V = (x,y,z). Since the del operator is (\frac{d}{dx}, \frac{d}{dy}, \frac{d}{dz}), applying that to V you get E = (\frac{d}{dx}, \frac{d}{dy}, \frac{d}{dz}).

I know it's not this simple because it seems like my maths has gone around in circles. Any help please?
What you wrote doesn't really make sense. For one thing, potential is a scalar, so claiming V=(x,y,z) is nonsense. And what is ##E = (\frac{d}{dx}, \frac{d}{dy}, \frac{d}{dz})## supposed to mean?
 
girlinphysics said:
Yes I do know that.
So, when you calculate ##\vec{E}\centerdot d\vec{r}## in terms of ##\phi##, what do you get?

Chet
 

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