Calculating Pressure from Air Displacement in Gasoline Tank

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Discussion Overview

The discussion focuses on calculating the pressure created by air displacement in a gasoline tank as gasoline flows in. Participants explore the application of the Bernoulli equation and other fluid dynamics principles to determine the pressure at the exit of the tank, considering factors such as flow rate and vent size.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about calculating the pressure from air displacement when gasoline flows into the tank, suggesting the use of the Bernoulli equation.
  • Another participant agrees that the Bernoulli equation could be applicable but questions the initial pressure estimate of 2 psi, asking for the calculations behind it.
  • A participant provides a simplified version of the Bernoulli equation to estimate the static pressure in the tank, indicating that the expected pressure would be much less than 1 psi.
  • One participant mentions using the fluid momentum equation, yielding a pressure of approximately 0.06 psig, while expressing doubt about its validity in this context.
  • This participant also shares experimental results using water, which indicated a pressure of about 0.75 psig, suggesting that the pressure for gasoline might be lower due to its lower density.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the pressure calculations, with differing estimates and methods presented. There is uncertainty regarding the applicability of the Bernoulli equation and the fluid momentum equation in this scenario.

Contextual Notes

Participants note various assumptions, such as the equivalence of air and gasoline flow rates and the impact of fluid density on pressure calculations. There are unresolved mathematical steps and dependencies on specific definitions and conditions.

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I am struggling with what seemed to be a simple problem and any help would be greatly appreciated.
I have to determine the amount of pressure created when air is displaced buy gasoline flowing into a tank.
The gas enters the tank at 10gpm. The entrance has a diameter of 1.5" and the vent has a diameter of 5/8".
I need to know the pressure of the air at the exit of the tank.
Can this be modeled with the Bernoulli equation?
Using the Bernoulli equation I got an answer of around 2psi but this does not seem quite right.
 
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Yes, I would think Bernoulli's would work.

2psi seems high. Can you show your work?
 
Here's what I've got.
 

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Caleb, you want the entrance pressure to the vent, which is also the tank static pressure, with an vent air volume flow equivalent to that of the gasoline volume flow into the tank.

The simplest Bernoulli's equation for that determination reduces to: P1 = .5*ρ*(Q/A)^2, With ρ in lb/cu ft, Q in cfs, and A in ft^2 for units consistency.

In that equation, P1 is the static pressure in the tank, and .5*ρ*Q/A is the equivalent amount of dynamic flowing energy thru the vent that can be converted from the P1 tank static pressure.
The result will be a tank pressure in psf that when converted to psi is much less than 1 psi.
 
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I also attempted to use the fluid momentum equation which gave me approximately .06 psig but I was very unsure about the validity of this principle in this particular situation. I was also able to use water that had a flow rate of 7 gpm and determine the pressure experimentally and it was about .75 psig. I assume this is very similar to the number I would get with the gas except the gas would create less pressure because it has a lower density.
 
Using my above equation and units, my result for air is:

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