Discussion Overview
The discussion revolves around calculating the second ionization energy of helium (He), specifically focusing on the application of the Bohr model to determine the energy levels of electrons in hydrogen-like atoms. Participants explore the appropriate values for quantum numbers and the implications of electron configurations in this context.
Discussion Character
- Homework-related
- Technical explanation
- Debate/contested
Main Points Raised
- One participant questions which value to use for the quantum number n in the equation En=-Z2RH/n2, noting that the second ionization energy of He is typically reported as 54.4 eV or 8.712x10-18 J when n=1 is used.
- Another participant clarifies that n=1 corresponds to the ground state of He, indicating that the second ionization energy refers to the removal of the second electron from He+, which has a configuration of 1s1.
- A further response suggests that the formula En=-Z2RH/n2 is applicable only for hydrogen-like ions such as He+, not for the ground state of neutral helium, which has two electrons in the 1s orbital.
- This participant also mentions that the first ionization energy of He is 24.5 eV, and the total energy required to remove both electrons from He is calculated as the sum of the first and second ionization energies, resulting in 78.9 eV.
- A link to an external article is provided for additional context on helium's ionization energies.
Areas of Agreement / Disagreement
Participants express differing views on the application of the Bohr model to helium and the interpretation of ionization energies, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives on the calculation method.
Contextual Notes
There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about electron configurations and the applicability of the Bohr model to multi-electron systems like neutral helium, which may affect the calculations presented.