Calculating second ionization energy of He

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The discussion revolves around calculating the second ionization energy of helium (He), specifically focusing on the application of the Bohr model to determine the energy levels of electrons in hydrogen-like atoms. Participants explore the appropriate values for quantum numbers and the implications of electron configurations in this context.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions which value to use for the quantum number n in the equation En=-Z2RH/n2, noting that the second ionization energy of He is typically reported as 54.4 eV or 8.712x10-18 J when n=1 is used.
  • Another participant clarifies that n=1 corresponds to the ground state of He, indicating that the second ionization energy refers to the removal of the second electron from He+, which has a configuration of 1s1.
  • A further response suggests that the formula En=-Z2RH/n2 is applicable only for hydrogen-like ions such as He+, not for the ground state of neutral helium, which has two electrons in the 1s orbital.
  • This participant also mentions that the first ionization energy of He is 24.5 eV, and the total energy required to remove both electrons from He is calculated as the sum of the first and second ionization energies, resulting in 78.9 eV.
  • A link to an external article is provided for additional context on helium's ionization energies.

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Participants express differing views on the application of the Bohr model to helium and the interpretation of ionization energies, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives on the calculation method.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about electron configurations and the applicability of the Bohr model to multi-electron systems like neutral helium, which may affect the calculations presented.

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Homework Statement



The equation En=-Z2RH/n2 gives the energy (according to the Bohr model) of the energy levels available to an electron in any hydrogen-like atom. Calculate the second ionization energy of He(in J). The second ionization energy of He is the ionization energy of He+.

Homework Equations



En=-Z2RH/n2 where RH=2.178x10-18J

Z=2
n=?

The Attempt at a Solution



I don't understand which value I am supposed to use for n. When I look up the second ionization energy of He I find that the answer is 54.4 eV or 8.712x10-18J, which is the answer I get when I input n=1 into the above equation. But it's asking for the second ionization energy of He, so why would I use n=1?
 
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n=1 is the orbit number of He. He has configuration of 1s2, meaning that both 2 electrons are in 1st orbit. 2nd Ionization energy refers to removal of 2nd electron, or removal of only electron of He+ ion, in this case.

Z refers to the atomic number of the species. For He, Z = 2.
 
Thanks for the question.
 
I think there is some problem in understanding here.
The formula En=-Z2RH/n2 can be used only for Hydrogen like atoms i.e. we can use this formula for He+ and not for ground state of Helium.
Ground state electron configuration of Helium is 1s2 while the configuration for He+ is 1s1 same as of Hydrogen.
Therefore, the energy given by En=-Z2RH/n2 will be the ionization energy for He+

The first ionization energy of He will be E1=24.5 eV and it is difficult to calculate that because of the presence of strong interactions.
Then, with this energy E1, we get He+ which is Hydrogen like atom and now we will use that formula and we get 54.4 eV.

Therefore, the process of removal of 2nd electron from He takes place in two steps ad hence the total energy required to knock off two electrons will be 24.5 eV +54.4 eV = 78.9 eV
Have a look at this article: http://lefteris-kaliambos.wikia.com/wiki/HELIUM_FIRST_IONIZATION
 

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