Calculating Steel Density from Experimental Data in Excel: Troubleshooting Tips

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The discussion revolves around calculating the density of steel using experimental data in Excel. The original poster presents data on the diameter, mass, and volume of steel spheres but encounters issues with the resulting density calculations.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants question the units of measurement for diameter, mass, and volume, and how these may affect the density calculations. There is also a focus on ensuring consistent units and understanding the formula for the volume of a sphere.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on checking the formula used in Excel and the importance of unit consistency. The original poster has acknowledged a mistake related to unit conversion, indicating a productive direction in the discussion.

Contextual Notes

The original poster's data was initially presented without clear units, leading to confusion. The discussion includes clarifications about the expected units for diameter and volume, which are critical for accurate density calculation.

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So I received a lab today for physics. The first part of the lab I finished in about 20 minutes,had no trouble with it, but I don't understand what I'm doing wrong in the second part. I have to find the density of steel in excel, using experimental data that we found in class a few weeks ago.

The diameter, mass, and volume of the sphere are correct. This is my data:
Diameter Mass Volume
3.97 0.36 8.31
6.2 1.04 12.98
9.4 3.52 19.68
12.5 8.35 26.17
13.45 10.02 28.16
15.67 16.3 32.80

But for the density I keep getting these numbers:
Density
0.043318519
0.080131498
0.178886028
0.31910828
0.35588284
0.49691284

The balls are made of steel, so obviously the density I found is incorrect. Can someone please tell me what I'm doing wrong. I know the density is mass/volume... I know that, so I don't know what I'm doing wrong.
I'm sorry that the density and stuff are messed up, I don't know why physics forum did so
 
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Hi TalRoc, http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/5725/red5e5etimes5e5e45e5e25.gif

All physical measurements in science have units associated with them, could you please indicate the units appropriate to your figures.

I can guess how you might have measured the diameter, but how did you measure the volume?

Roughly what value of density are you expecting you should get?
 
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I checked a few of the numbers from your experiment. If you have measured the diameter of the sphere, there should be some correlation with the volume. If these two numbers are using consistent units, then the formula for the volume of a sphere given the radius must have changed.
 
NascentOxygen said:
All physical measurements in science have units associated with them, could you please indicate the units appropriate to your figures.

I can guess how you might have measured the diameter, but how did you measure the volume?

Roughly what value of density are you expecting you should get?

Okay, so diameter is in cm, volume is in cubic centimeters.
Also thanks for the quick reply!
 
SteamKing, thanks for the help, but I still don't get why excel is coming up with those numbers.

This is a screenshot of my excel document: http://gyazo.com/9aa4422a96414b614a2aa152563d50cf

Please tell me what I'm doing wrong I'm really confused :/
 
According to the formula in the Excel spreadsheet, the volume of a sphere is (4/3)*pi*r. You might want to check that.
 
Got it. I was making a stupid mistake the whole time and forgot to multiply by 1000 at the end...
And I was wrong the units were mm and g. I see what I did now.

Thanks guys
 

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