Calculating Torque on a Dam Due to Water

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The problem involves calculating the torque on a dam due to the water behind it, considering the static equilibrium of the system. The focus is on understanding how the force exerted by the water varies with depth and how this affects the torque calculation.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to calculate the torque by considering the center of mass of the water and suggests dividing the water into slabs to analyze the contribution to torque from each slab. Questions arise regarding the validity of this approach and the implications of fluid pressure on the slabs.

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Participants are exploring the relationship between the force on each slab and its area, as well as the implications of the linear variation of force with depth. Some guidance has been offered regarding the need to account for the area of the slabs as the number of slabs increases. The discussion is ongoing, with participants questioning the assumptions made in the original calculations.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of confusion regarding the notation used for torque and the number of slabs, as well as concerns about the mathematical approach leading to potentially infinite results. The original poster is grappling with the implications of their findings on their understanding of torque in this context.

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Homework Statement


A body of water of depth D sits behind a vertical dam. The water and dam are in static equilibrium. Calculate the torque on the dam due to the water about an axis at ground level (that is, a depth D below the surface of the water).

Homework Equations


N (torque) = r x F

The Attempt at a Solution



I'm guessing that the force on the dam due to the water acts at a point D/2 above ground since the vertical coordinate of the center of mass of the water would be this high. Then the torque is just DF/2.

But consider the following argument. The force on the dam varies linearly with depth. Wouldn't this mean that I would get the same answer if I divided the water into N "slabs" (like a stack of books) and calculated the contribution to the torque from each slab, each with its own moment arm?

I tried the following: divide the water into N "slabs" of thickness D/N. The height of the ith slab is Di/N. The force on the dam from this slab is F(1 - i/N), where the maximum force (at the bottom of the dam) is F. Then the total torque is

<br /> \sum_{i=1}^N \; \frac{FDi}{N} \left( 1 - \frac{i}{N} \right)<br />

But if I try to work out the sum and take the limit as N -> infinity, the sum becomes infinite. Is it just my math, or is this not the right argument? Thanks!
 
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As you suggest, your answer of DF/2 is not correct.

For your summation approach, note that the force on a slab is due to fluid pressure acting on the slab. How does the force on a slab depend on the area of the slab? What happens to the areas of the slabs as N increases? You need to take that into account.
 
TSny said:
As you suggest, your answer of DF/2 is not correct.

For your summation approach, note that the force on a slab is due to fluid pressure acting on the slab. How does the force on a slab depend on the area of the slab? What happens to the areas of the slabs as N increases? You need to take that into account.

Thanks for the hints. After thinking about it more, I came up with the following sum for the torque:

<br /> N = \sum_{i=1}^N \; \left(D - \frac{Di}{N} \right) \rho W g \frac{D}{N} \frac{Di}{N}<br />

where D is the depth of the water, N is the number of slabs (each of thickness D/N), W is the width of the dam, rho is the density of water, and g is the acceleration due to gravity. I did the sum, took the large-N limit, and got

<br /> N = \frac{D^3 \rho W g}{6}<br />

Again, my math could be wrong, but if this result is correct, it really challenges my intuition. Why isn't the torque on the dam just the average force due to water pressure times the "middle depth", D/2? The force varies linearly with depth, so why isn't the total torque just (average moment arm) x (average force) = FD/2?
 
bigplanet401 said:
N = \sum_{i=1}^N \; \left(D - \frac{Di}{N} \right) \rho W g \frac{D}{N} \frac{Di}{N}
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where D is the depth of the water, N is the number of slabs (each of thickness D/N), W is the width of the dam, rho is the density of water, and g is the acceleration due to gravity. I did the sum, took the large-N limit, and got

<br /> N = \frac{D^3 \rho W g}{6}<br />

That looks like the correct result, but it's a little confusing to use N for both the torque and the number of slabs.

Again, my math could be wrong, but if this result is correct, it really challenges my intuition. Why isn't the torque on the dam just the average force due to water pressure times the "middle depth", D/2? The force varies linearly with depth, so why isn't the total torque just (average moment arm) x (average force) = FD/2?

Let Fi be the force on the ith slab and Li the moment arm of the ith slab. Let N be the number of slabs and assume N is an even number. Then, for large N the net torque is (approximately)

Torque = F1L1 + ⋅⋅⋅ + FN/2LN/2 +⋅⋅⋅ + FNLN .

Note that the one term FN/2LN/2 is essentially the average force times the average lever arm. So, it's clear that the total sum is greater than the average force times the average lever arm.

FN/2LN/2 is just the torque on the one slab in the middle.
 
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