Calculating work heat, and efficiency given a TS diagram

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This discussion focuses on calculating work, heat transfer, and efficiency in thermodynamic systems using Temperature vs. Entropy (T-S) diagrams. The key equations involved are ∆U=Q-W, ∆S=dQ/T, e=1-(Qc/Qh), and e=W/Qh. It is established that in a cyclic process, the area within the T-S diagram represents work (W) and heat (Q), with Qh and Qc corresponding to the positive and negative areas under the curve, respectively. The efficiency equations provided are confirmed to be applicable in this context.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of thermodynamic principles, specifically the first law of thermodynamics.
  • Familiarity with Temperature vs. Entropy (T-S) diagrams and their significance in thermodynamics.
  • Knowledge of the Carnot cycle and its efficiency calculations.
  • Ability to manipulate and apply thermodynamic equations such as ∆U=Q-W and e=1-(Qc/Qh).
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  • Study the derivation and application of the Carnot cycle efficiency formula.
  • Explore the implications of reversible processes in T-S diagrams.
  • Learn about the relationship between heat transfer and work in different thermodynamic processes.
  • Investigate the graphical interpretation of work and heat in other thermodynamic diagrams, such as Pressure vs. Volume (P-V) diagrams.
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Homework Statement



Is it possible to calculate the work done heat transfer, and efficiency of an object in a thermodynamic system, given the Temperature vs Entropy graph?

Example:
b7FPPj6.png

Homework Equations



∆U=Q-W
∆S=dQ/T
e=1-(Qc/Qh)
e=W/Qh

The Attempt at a Solution



Since this is a T vs S diagram,i can understand how the product(area) will be heat.
Since it's a cyclic process, I can also understand how Q=W , since ∆U=0
Currently I'm thinking that the area inside the triangle will be W, which also corresponds to Q. However, I could barely find any documentation on this, which is why I wanted to confirm it.

As for efficiency, we are given two equations:
1-(Qc/Qh)
and
W/Qh
Would both of them be correct here, and would Qh and Qc be T2 and T1 respectively?

Thanks!
 
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abobo37 said:

Homework Statement



Is it possible to calculate the work done heat transfer, and efficiency of an object in a thermodynamic system, given the Temperature vs Pressure graph?

Example:
b7FPPj6.png

Homework Equations



∆U=Q-W
∆S=dQ/T
e=1-(Qc/Qh)
e=W/Qh

The Attempt at a Solution



Since this is a T vs S diagram,i can understand how the product(area) will be heat.
Since it's a cyclic process, I can also understand how Q=W , since ∆U=0
Currently I'm thinking that the area inside the triangle will be W, which also corresponds to Q. However, I could barely find any documentation on this, which is why I wanted to confirm it.

As for efficiency, we are given two equations:
1-(Qc/Qh)
and
W/Qh
Would both of them be correct here, and would Qh and Qc be T2 and T1 respectively?

Thanks!
Is a T-S diagram a plot of Temperature vs. Pressure?
 
SteamKing said:
Is a T-S diagram a plot of Temperature vs. Pressure?
I'm so sorry, I meant entropy. I will edit it! :D
 
abobo37 said:

Homework Statement


3. The Attempt at a Solution [/B]

Since this is a T vs S diagram,i can understand how the product(area) will be heat.
Since it's a cyclic process, I can also understand how Q=W , since ∆U=0
Currently I'm thinking that the area inside the triangle will be W, which also corresponds to Q. However, I could barely find any documentation on this, which is why I wanted to confirm it.

As for efficiency, we are given two equations:
1-(Qc/Qh)
and
W/Qh
Would both of them be correct here
Certainly, since these are both statements of the 1st law.
and would Qh and Qc be T2 and T1 respectively?
For a Carnot cyccle, yes. A T-S diagram is valid for reversible processes only since entropy is defined for equilibrium states only.
T-S diagrams are ideal for reading heats in a closed cycle:
Qh = positive area under curve (going from left to right)
Qc = negative area under curve (going from right to left)
So Qh - Qc per cycle = area within the closed curve, as you correctly state, and = W also. And e = 1 - (Qc/Qh).
 
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Thanks for confirming!
 

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