Calculating WWI aircraft flight performance

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Discussion Overview

The discussion focuses on calculating the flight performance of World War One aircraft, including aspects such as lift coefficients, engine horsepower, maximum level speeds, wing loading, and stall speeds. Participants explore methods for determining the minimum horsepower required for level flight and the overall drag figure necessary for these calculations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses interest in calculating flight performance using coefficients of lift, engine horsepower, and wing loading.
  • Another participant suggests that computational fluid dynamics (CFD) or experimental data on the drag polar is necessary to obtain an overall aircraft drag figure.
  • A participant inquires about the meaning of CFD, indicating a need for clarification on the topic.
  • CFD is explained as a method involving modeling in CAD and using a solver to find forces and moments, though it is noted to be complex and costly.
  • A participant mentions the availability of old NACA reports as a potentially better resource for data, referencing a specific AIAA paper that intrigued them but lacked sufficient background details for practical application.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best method for calculating the minimum horsepower for level flight, with some advocating for CFD and others suggesting reliance on historical reports. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the optimal approach.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the potential complexity and cost of CFD, as well as the reliance on historical data which may not provide all necessary details for calculations.

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I'm interested in calculating the flight performance of World War One aircraft.

The aerofoils can give me the coefficient of lift, we have the engine horsepower and the maximum level speeds. Wingloading can generate the stall speeds.

How do I calculate the minimum horse power required for level flight? It seems as though I need an overall aircraft drag figure, so how do I calculate this?
 
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RayJobling said:
I'm interested in calculating the flight performance of World War One aircraft.

The aerofoils can give me the coefficient of lift, we have the engine horsepower and the maximum level speeds. Wingloading can generate the stall speeds.

How do I calculate the minimum horse power required for level flight? It seems as though I need an overall aircraft drag figure, so how do I calculate this?

You're going to need to run CFD or obtain experimental data on the drag polar for that I'm afraid.
 
Thanks Cyrus,
now what's CFD please?

Ray
 
It stands for computational fluid dynamics. You create a model of your problem in a CAD program, and then wrap a mesh around it. The CFD solver then finds the forces and moments. This is by no means a trivial, or cheap, proposition. I think your best bet is to look for this data in old NACA reports.
 
Thanks again Cyrus.

I think the pointer towards old NACA reports looks like the better option. To be honest, I hadn't realized that such reports were available, so now the search begins...

Scott Eberhardt did some work on this subject which intrigued me, and released a PDF titled

AIAA Paper 2005-119
43rd AIAA Aerospace Sciences Meeting and Exhibit
10-13 January, 2005, Reno, Nevada

This was fascinating, but lacked the background details to do something useful with it.
 

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