Can anybody explain the modulation of radio waves in terms of photons?

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The discussion explores the modulation of radio frequency (RF) waves—Amplitude Modulation (AM), Frequency Modulation (FM), and Phase Modulation (PM)—in terms of photons. AM involves varying the number of photons sent, while FM changes the frequency of the photons. In PM, particularly Binary Phase Shift Keying (BPSK), the phase of the photon wavefunction shifts, impacting how coherent photons are transmitted. The complexity of defining photons is highlighted, noting that single photons lack a definite phase, while other states can possess specific phase properties. Overall, the conversation emphasizes the intricate relationship between photon properties and modulation techniques.
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Hi All,

I wonder if the modulation of RF waves (Amplitude Modulation, Frequency Modulation, and Phase Modulation) can be explained in terms of photons.

Thanks,
Srini
 
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Sure:
AM - you are sending either small or large number of photons in a unit of time.
FM - you are sending photons of such or another frequency
PM - at some moment you stop sending coherent photons like previously, and start sending the ones of the same frequency, but shifted in phase
 
xts said:
Sure:
AM - you are sending either small or large number of photons in a unit of time.
FM - you are sending photons of such or another frequency
PM - at some moment you stop sending coherent photons like previously, and start sending the ones of the same frequency, but shifted in phase

Can you elaborate the third one a bit?
More specifically, with respect to BPSK modulation, where the photons needs to be transmitted continuously. What difference does the photos experience when phase transition happens?

Srini
 
sriecewit said:
More specifically, with respect to BPSK modulation, where the photons needs to be transmitted continuously. What difference does the photos experience when phase transition happens?
Exactly the same, as for classical electromagnetism - the phase gets shifted, in case of BPSK by 180°. Time-dependent factor of the photon wavefunction is e^{-i(\omega t+\Theta_0)}, at the phase transition you stop sending coherent photons with factor e^{-i\omega t} and start sending ones with e^{-i(\omega t+\pi)}
 
xts said:
Time-dependent factor of the photon wavefunction is e^{-i(\omega t+\Theta_0)}, at the phase transition you stop sending coherent photons with factor e^{-i\omega t} and start sending ones with e^{-i(\omega t+\pi)}

Are photons associated with the phase property? Aren't they just energy packets, whose energy varies as the frequency times the constant?
Let me put it in this way. What all parameters does specify a photon?
 
sriecewit said:
Are photons associated with the phase property? Aren't they just energy packets, whose energy varies as the frequency times the constant?
Let me put it in this way. What all parameters does specify a photon?

This is a complicated question. Single photons do not have a definite phase (the phase for any number state is undefined). However, other states (coherent states etc) DO have definite phases. Even the concept of a photon is a bit tricky to define "properly" without a good understanding of field theory (=advanced quantum mechanics).
Anyway, the point is that you can't really talk about properties of photons, but you CAN talk about properties of fields.

So the answer to your questions is: it is complicated :wink:
 
Thanks for the help Guys !
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