Can Fraunhofer Single Slit formula be used in this case?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the application of the Fraunhofer single slit formula to a scenario involving a thin layer of oil on water and its effect on light reflection. Participants explore whether this situation can be analyzed through the lens of diffraction or if it is more appropriately addressed through thin film interference principles.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that the oil layer can be treated as a single slit with a width of 400 nm to analyze light reflection.
  • Another participant challenges this analogy, stating that light is incident perpendicularly to the oil layer, suggesting that diffraction is not applicable in this case.
  • Further clarification is provided about the nature of the light reflection from the oil slick, emphasizing that the thickness and refractive index of the oil determine which wavelength is most strongly reflected.
  • Several participants suggest looking into "Interference of light in thin films" as a more relevant topic for solving the problem.
  • One participant mentions that typical discussions on thin film interference focus on fringe formation and suggests exploring Fabry-Perot resonators for a deeper understanding of transmissivity and reflectivity.
  • Another participant argues that the simple thin-film interference equation is sufficient for this problem and questions the clarity of the problem statement regarding the angle of incidence.
  • There is a mention of curriculum differences, with one participant noting that their education emphasized monochromatic waves and neglected the behavior of transmissivity with respect to wavelength.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the problem should be approached through diffraction or thin film interference. There is no consensus on the best method to analyze the situation, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the applicability of the Fraunhofer single slit formula.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of clarifying the angle of incidence and the assumptions regarding the light's behavior, which may affect the analysis. The discussion highlights the potential limitations of the problem statement and the varying educational approaches to thin film interference.

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A question like : A very thin layer of oil is on the surface of a puddle of water. If the layer of oil is 400 nm thick, what frequency of light in the visible part of the spectrum will most strongly be reflected? Given the index of refraction of oil is 1.4.

Can we think of the layer as a single slit with width 400 nm?
 
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I am not sure why you thought of that analogy. The situation is that light is incident in a direction perpendicular to the layer of oil. So it is not an application of diffraction at all.
 
Chandra Prayaga said:
I am not sure why you thought of that analogy. The situation is that light is incident in a direction perpendicular to the layer of oil. So it is not an application of diffraction at all.
it only calculates the frequency of THE wavelength that is in a direction perpendicular to the layer of oil?
 
Basically, the situation is this. You have an oil slick on water. From above, you shine light down on the slick. In general, the light would be reflected. But, depending on the thickness of the slick, and the refractive index of the oil, a particular wavelength of light would be strongly reflected. The question is asking for that wavelength.
 
Chandra Prayaga said:
Basically, the situation is this. You have an oil slick on water. From above, you shine light down on the slick. In general, the light would be reflected. But, depending on the thickness of the slick, and the refractive index of the oil, a particular wavelength of light would be strongly reflected. The question is asking for that wavelength.
so what is the proper way to solve for the most strongly reflected wavelength? does it matter what angle of incidence it is to the slick?
 
I would refer you to a topic titled, "Interference of light in thin films" covered in any basic textbook, such as Resnick & Haliday, or Knight.
 
Usually discussions on the topic of thin film interference only cover the interference aspect of the problem, that is, the fringes formation. I believe you will get more information to solve this problem if you go to any typical topics on Fabry-Perot resonator. Here, one always quantify the transmissivity of the resonator as a function of wavelength, by finding the minima in the transmissivity you can get the maxima in reflectivity in terms of wavelength. Also you will need to know the indices of all the involved media, including the air and water.
 
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You don't need to consider the Fabry-Perot interferometer for this type of problem. The simple thin-film interference equation that applies to this particular situation is sufficient. It would be better if the problem statement clarified whether the light is incident perpendicular to the film, or at some angle. However, I suspect the problem's author was lazy, or else the course/textbook simply has not started to consider non-perpendicular incidence yet.

This looks like a typical thin-film interference problem from a first-year intro physics course, which doesn't usually delve into the theory of the Fabry-Perot interferometer, at least not at most US universities.
 
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I believe jtbell is correct, in that an introductory course usually does not deal with a Fabry-Perot, not even with non-perpendicular incidence. The author of the problem can clarify that.
 
  • #12
I guess it's a matter of curriculum difference, the way how I was taught thin film problem was that it only dealt with interference due to monochromatic waves, and hence the behavior of transmissivity with respect to wavelength is neglected. But yeah let's hear out from the OP.
 

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