Can I acheive a first class honours?

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The discussion centers on the challenges faced by a student pursuing a four-year theoretical physics degree, particularly after experiencing a drop in marks from first to second year. The student is concerned about needing a 75% average to achieve a first-class degree and seeks advice on workload and study strategies. A contributor shares their own experience of improving grades over the years, emphasizing the importance of dedicating time to projects, attending lectures, meeting assignment deadlines, and practicing past exam papers. They encourage the original poster not to give up, suggesting that achieving a high average is possible with hard work and dedication, and that universities may consider factors beyond just average marks when determining degree classifications. The conversation highlights the importance of proactive study habits and resilience in the face of academic challenges.
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Hey guys, I'm doing a four year degree course in theoretical physics (British/Irish). I got a 1.1 (first class honours) in last year's examinations (74.75%), which was in second year and counted for 10% of the marks. This year I only managed 58%, which is a 2.2 (second class honours, grade 2) and counted for 30%. I'm devastated. I calculated the marks and I need to get 75% to get a first class degree. Based on anyone's experience of final year (with projects etc.) is this a realistic goal? How much work would I have to put in during the week, in terms of homework, study and project work? Have you guys any tips? Thanks in advance.
 
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I don't know if this reply is a little bit late, but crazy things can happen man, I speak from personal experience. I'll cut a long story short:
A-levels were BDE in physics, chemistry and biology respectively. Even though I didn't get the BBB required, a redbrick uni in the UK accepted me onto their foundation year, making up for my lack of maths.
I coast through that, getting a 61% average mark, and enter onto the first year of a 4-year MPhys course.
1st year - averaged about 57% - didn't contribute to final class of degree.
2nd year - averaged about 63% - contributed 1/5 of the final class.
3rd year - averaged about 70% - contributed 2/5.
4th year - averaged about 73% - also 2/5.

Amazingly, I just manage a 70% average based on the 2nd, 3rd and 4th year performance, getting me "class one honours" - in other words pulling my degree (and entire CV) out of the fire with not a second to spare :biggrin:

However, during those last 3 years there were times when I got poor marks, for instance, in a 3rd year mathematical physics module, I got a 45 (scaled to 65), and a fourth year quantum module I made some stupid mistakes and ended up with about 57. Luckily, I pulled off some freak results in other modules (90's and high 80's etc). that evened things out.
The main contributor to having a strong 4th year was my big project, which got a hell of a lot of time spent on it, so I'd reccomend not neglecting that. Obviously don't miss lectures, and really you just have to focus on hitting assignment deadlines, and reading enough of your lecture material rather than understanding nothing until the revision period (my worst habit). Also, in my experience, the best revision is just to practice the hell out of all the past papers and practice problems you have available - lecturers can be lazy... oh, and study with friends if possible.

So, my message is to not throw in the towel, because look what can happen. Unless, of course, this response is too late to matter. 75% is DEFINITELY attainable, and I say this as someone who averaged 73% in the 4th year despite giving into occasional ketamine and cannabis binges at the later (and most crucial!) stage of the year, due to mental exhaustion. Don't give up the fight man, you'll get it if you want it enough.

PS. It's also worth bearing in mind that the average mark alone is probably not the only thing they take into consideration when deciding your degree class. They'll look at any particularly high marks you have achieved, maybe even your attendance and dedication. You don't even have to get 70% to get a first, some people get it with 69 or 68. I am convinced you can do this.
 
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Thanks man, I feel a million times better about my prospects now. I just have to work hard and get it done, I suppose. Thanks again!
 
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Thanks man, I feel a million times better about my prospects now. I just have to work hard and get it done, I suppose. Thanks again!

Yeah man, you just got to man up and get stuck into it with a vengeance. Infact, I imagine you've got a couple of months off before the start of your next semester. This is the perfect time for you to be reading course notes for your upcoming modules without the pressure of deadlines.
This was never something that I did during summer, but it was always something I regretted not doing when the $hit invariably hit the fan at exam time.
 
I'm actually doing an internship so that's not really an option :) Ah well.
 
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