Can I mix carbon fiber fabric with most glues?

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The discussion revolves around the use of carbon fiber fabric in conjunction with various adhesives to strengthen a fragile plastic piece. Participants explore the effectiveness of different types of glue and the structural properties of carbon fiber in various applications, including repairs and reinforcement techniques.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that using any adhesive that successfully bonds to the plastic will enhance its strength, recommending a search for "Carbon fiber adhesives."
  • Another participant emphasizes that carbon fiber's tensile properties are best utilized on convex surfaces to avoid delamination, noting that the adhesive's effectiveness is crucial for concave surfaces.
  • A participant shares a personal repair method involving superglue and Kevlar fiber to create a strong exoskeleton for fragile items, indicating that similar techniques could be applied with carbon fiber.
  • There is mention of using cyanoacrylate glue mixed with glass micro-spheres to avoid issues with chopped fibers during modeling.
  • One participant describes a successful application of epoxy and carbon fiber ribbon to stabilize old basement walls, highlighting the variability of bonding with plastic substrates.
  • Another participant discusses potential issues with water drainage around basements, suggesting that this could affect structural integrity, although this point diverges from the primary topic of adhesives and carbon fiber.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of viewpoints regarding the best adhesives for carbon fiber applications, with no clear consensus on a single approach or adhesive type. Some methods and materials are discussed, but the effectiveness and suitability of each remain contested.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the bonding effectiveness of adhesives can vary significantly depending on the type of plastic used, indicating that assumptions about compatibility may not hold universally. Additionally, the discussion includes personal experiences that may not be generalizable.

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I have a fragile plastic piece and I would like to coat the inner walls with carbon fiber, so I was thinking I could lay carbon fiber on it and put some glue from the hardware store to mix with it. Would it work in making it stronger or do I need a special glue?
 
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Pretty much anything that you successfully glue to your plastic piece will make it stronger. Information about adhesives for carbon fiber is better found via a google search than asking here, IMO. Try "Carbon fiber adhesives" for a start.
 
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kolleamm said:
I have a fragile plastic piece and I would like to coat the inner walls with carbon fiber, ...
Carbon fibre has good tensile properties, so it is best wrapped around an outer convex surface where tension forces in long fibres will not cause delamination. Internal concave surfaces tend to be compressive so it is the glue or filler that will be more important, held in place by short fibres as reinforcing.

Small plastic items break after becoming brittle with time. I sometimes repair them by reassembling the parts with cheap superglue. Then I wind a Kevlar fibre around them, backwards and forwards to make a very thin outer sock of cross-hatched thread. One drop of fluid superglue on the Kevlar wicks through to make a very strong exoskeleton. The superglue, = cyanoacrylate, chemically bonds with the Kevlar, = aramid.
I get the Kevlar fibre from scrap cable. Make sure you are not touching any fibres as the superglue wicks in, or you will very rapidly become part of the exoskeleton.
 
IIRC, modellers use cyano-acrylate glue filled with 'primed' glass micro-spheres, as this avoids chopped fibres, which are both dangerously 'fly' and tend to find the worst possible 'lay'...
 
Baluncore said:
Carbon fibre has good tensile properties, so it is best wrapped around an outer convex surface where tension forces in long fibres will not cause delamination. Internal concave surfaces tend to be compressive so it is the glue or filler that will be more important, held in place by short fibres as reinforcing.

Small plastic items break after becoming brittle with time. I sometimes repair them by reassembling the parts with cheap superglue. Then I wind a Kevlar fibre around them, backwards and forwards to make a very thin outer sock of cross-hatched thread. One drop of fluid superglue on the Kevlar wicks through to make a very strong exoskeleton. The superglue, = cyanoacrylate, chemically bonds with the Kevlar, = aramid.
I get the Kevlar fibre from scrap cable. Make sure you are not touching any fibres as the superglue wicks in, or you will very rapidly become part of the exoskeleton.
I do the same thing with carbon fibers and high strength low viscosity epoxe. If the epoxe bonds well to substrate (always a crapshoot with plastic) the result is remarkably strong.
Incidentally I obtained the epoxe and 4 inch carbon fiber ribbon to stabilize my 70 year old block basement walls which had started to bow a bit...small gaps in the horizontal mortar lines. That was five years ago and nothing has moved. since . A very good and relatively easy solution.
 
hutchphd said:
...70 year old block basement walls which had started to bow a bit...small gaps in the horizontal mortar lines.
Maybe de-water the soil around your basement. If you have a sump pump there, the perforated pipes that run around the foundation may have collapsed/filled with stuff, raising the water table.

Many plumbers can send a video camera thru the pipe to check for blockages. Not cheap, but cheaper than a collapsed wall.
 
Tom.G said:
Maybe de-water the soil around your basement. If you have a sump pump there, the perforated pipes that run around the foundation may have collapsed/filled with stuff, raising the water table.

Many plumbers can send a video camera thru the pipe to check for blockages. Not cheap, but cheaper than a collapsed wall.
Actually I had recently had a galvanized intake water pipe replaced which clearly created some leakage and backup outside. This likely caused the issue but is copacetic now. Vertical carbon fiber has made wall rock stable. Good call, thank you!
 
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