Can someone explain to me what my professor did?

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The discussion revolves around understanding the derivation of equations related to a damped harmonic oscillator, specifically focusing on the expression for angular frequency (omega) and the general solution for displacement over time (x(t)).

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  • Participants explore the derivation of omega and question the form of the solution for x(t). Some express confusion about the transition from the general solution to the specific damped form, while others discuss the implications of constants in the equations.

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Some participants have made progress in understanding omega, while others are still grappling with the form of x(t). There is an ongoing exploration of how to incorporate damping into the general solution, with references to the equivalence of different forms of the solution.

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Participants are considering the assumptions of the system being underdamped and are discussing the implications of constants in the equations, as well as the need for a damping term in the general solution.

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Two things I don't understand; how did he get that omega is sqrt(k/m-(b/2m)^2)
And second; why is it that x(t) = e^(-bt/2m)* cos (omega*t+phi)
shouldnt it rather be; x(t) = c1*cos(ωt) + c2*sin(ωt)

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I figured out why omega is what it is, but still don't understand how he got the equation for x(t)
 
I think he's assuming that the system is underdamped, so will be a damped sinusoid. The general solution can be molded into that shape:

##x(t) = c_1 cos(ωt) + c_2 sin(ωt)##
##~~~= \sqrt{c_1^2 + c_2^2}\left( \frac{c_1}{\sqrt{c_1^2 + c_2^2}} cos(ωt) + \frac{c_2}{\sqrt{c_1^2 + c_2^2}} sin(ωt) \right) ##
##~~~= \sqrt{c_1^2 + c_2^2}\left(cos(\phi) cos(ωt) + sin(\phi) sin(ωt) \right) ##
##~~~= \sqrt{c_1^2 + c_2^2} cos(ωt - \phi)## where: ##~~~~\phi = tan^{-1}\left( \frac{c_2}{c_1} \right)##

You can fudge the sign of the angle ##\phi## by negating it and interpreting it appropriately.
 
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Aren't c1 and c2 constants? If so, I see a sinusoid, not a damped sinusoid.
 
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Mister T said:
Aren't c1 and c2 constants? If so, I see a sinusoid, not a damped sinusoid.
Ah, right. I left out the damping term in the general solution o:) So:
##x(t) = e^{-\alpha t}(c_1 cos(ωt) + c_2 sin(ωt))##
Go from there. The roots of the auxiliary equation will be complex conjugates of the form ##\alpha ± \omega##, where ##\omega## can be further broken down as ##\omega = \sqrt{\alpha^2 - \omega_o^2}##
 
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gneill said:
Ah, right. I left out the damping term in the general solution o:) So:
##x(t) = e^{-\alpha t}(c_1 cos(ωt) + c_2 sin(ωt))##
Go from there. The roots of the auxiliary equation will be complex conjugates of the form ##\alpha ± \omega##, where ##\omega## can be further broken down as ##\omega = \sqrt{\alpha^2 - \omega_o^2}##
This is exactly the point where I don't know where to go from :P. Where does the c2sin(ωt) part go?
 
Warlic said:
This is exactly the point where I don't know where to go from :P. Where does the c2sin(ωt) part go?
See post #3. The sin and cos terms can be amalgamated into a single cos (or sin) term with a constant phase shift.
 
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Look at the undamped case:

##x(t)=c_1 \cos (\omega t)+c_2 \sin (\omega t)##

and

##x(t)=A \cos (\omega t+ \phi)##

are equivalent. Note that each contains two constants of integration.
 
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