Can the Biot Savart law be used in a medium where the permeability changes?

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The discussion revolves around the applicability of the Biot-Savart law in scenarios where the permeability of the medium changes, specifically when an iron sphere is introduced into a solenoid. Participants explore the implications of using the law under these conditions and the effects on magnetic field strength calculations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the validity of using the Biot-Savart law to calculate the magnetic field strength in a medium where permeability changes, specifically when an iron sphere is added to a solenoid.
  • Another participant suggests that the Biot-Savart law is derived under the assumption of uniform permeability, referencing Poisson's equation in magnetostatics.
  • A third participant confirms that the Biot-Savart law is applicable only in uniform permeability scenarios, indicating that the presence of both air and iron complicates its use.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the Biot-Savart law should not be used in the presence of varying permeability, particularly with the introduction of materials like iron. However, the discussion remains open regarding the specifics of how permeability affects the application of the law.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully explored the mathematical implications of using the Biot-Savart law in non-uniform media, nor have they resolved the potential effects of the iron sphere on the magnetic field beyond the initial calculations.

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Say I use the Biot Savart law to calculate the magnetic field strength at a single point somewhere inside solenoid. I record this value. Then I add an iron sphere to the inside my solenoid very close to but not touching the point just calcuated. If I were to recalcuate the field strength at this same point I will get the same value as before because the iron is not included in the integration. Intutivaly this will not be correct because the iron will effect the field strength and direction in the air around it. What am I missing here ? Is it that I we not use the Biot Savart law in a medium where the permittivity changes ?
 
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I think that since Biot-Savart comes from the solution of Poisson's equation (with some curl of A and some manipulations), the permeability has to be uniform. This is how you get Poisson's equation in magnetostatics

[tex]\nabla^2 A=-\mu J[/tex]

M.
 
The Biot-Savart law gives the B field in vacuo or in a medium of uniform permeability. Your example has two parts: air (or vacuum) and iron. Hence, you shouldn't use the Biot-Savart law.
 
That is what I suspected. Thanks for the info.
 

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