Can the Second Law of Thermodynamics Explain Freezing Water at -5°C?

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The discussion centers on demonstrating how the second law of thermodynamics predicts the spontaneous freezing of water at -5°C under 1 bar of pressure. Participants emphasize the relationship between Gibbs free energy, enthalpy, and entropy during phase transitions, noting that the enthalpy of freezing is the negative of the enthalpy of fusion. The conversation highlights the need to calculate the change in Gibbs free energy to determine spontaneity, with a focus on the entropy of freezing derived from the enthalpy of fusion. Clarifications are made regarding the interpretation of thermodynamic equations and the conditions for phase changes. Overall, the thread aims to resolve confusion around applying thermodynamic principles to predict freezing behavior.
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Homework Statement


Show that the second law of thermodynamics predicts the spontaneous freezing of liquid water at -5^{o}C under 1 bar of constant pressure. Assume that Cp is temperature independent.

Standard water fusion enthalpy = 6.008 kJ/mol @ 273.15 K

\geq has to be interpreted as greater than, not greater or equal, in this example.

Homework Equations



A: dS \geq \frac{\partial q}{T}

B: \DeltaS_{transition} = \frac{\Delta H_{transition}}{T_{transition}}

C: \Delta S = \int \frac{Cp}{T} dT

D: \Delta H = q in an isobaric process

The Attempt at a Solution



After having wasted an hour or so on this presumably easy problem, I cannot get the second law to predict the freezing.

Cp\ ln(T) \geq \frac{\Delta H_{transition}}{T_{transition}} ?

Some advice would be appreciated. I know the proof is simple. I'm having some brain fog atm though.

Thanks!
 
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Hi Aeon, welcome to PF. What thermodynamic potential stays constant for phase changes at constant temperature and pressure? And using this, can you find the entropy of freezing from the enthalpy of freezing?
 
I have been reading on the forums for some time. I never had to ask a question yet though.
Thanks!

On a phase transition diagram, Gibbs free energy of one phase is equal to G of another phase when you follow the phase transition curves.

Is the enthalpy of freezing opposite of the enthalpy of fusion?
 
Aeon said:
On a phase transition diagram, Gibbs free energy of one phase is equal to G of another phase when you follow the phase transition curves.

Exactly. So by using the definition of G, the entropy of fusion can be determined. Now you can calculate the difference in G between the phases - and a spontaneous process will tend to minimize G.

Aeon said:
Is the enthalpy of freezing opposite of the enthalpy of fusion?

Yes, and that was a typo; I meant fusion! Enthalpy and entropy of freezing would have the opposite signs.
 
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