Can Thin Rods Bend More Easily Than Thick Rods?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the comparative bending behavior of thin versus thick rods, focusing on the mechanics of stress, strain, and material properties. Participants explore theoretical and conceptual aspects of bending in relation to geometry and material characteristics.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that a thin rod can bend more easily than a thick rod due to the stress being lower for the same force, as indicated by the equation for stress (F/A).
  • Others argue that for the same bending angle, the stress is less in a thinner rod, with the breaking stress being a material characteristic that remains constant for rods made from the same material.
  • One participant notes that extensions and compressions are also less in a thin rod, which are proportional to the distance from the neutral axis.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of strain in explaining why stress is lower in thinner rods, linking it to the distance from the neutral axis.
  • A participant mentions that the tensile strain at the outside of the bend is related to the ratio of the distance from the neutral axis to the radius of curvature, indicating that a thinner rod has less tensile strain for the same radius of curvature.
  • Some participants highlight that bending stress is influenced by the distance from the neutral axis, with thicker rods experiencing larger maximum bending stress under the same force.
  • One participant draws an analogy between the bending of rods and arcs of different radii, suggesting that smaller radii subtend larger angles, although this point is questioned in terms of its relevance to the original question about stress and breaking points.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between stress, strain, and bending behavior, with no clear consensus reached on the explanations provided. Some points are reiterated, while others are challenged or refined, indicating ongoing debate.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various mechanical principles, such as the neutral axis and the relationship between bending stress and geometry, but do not resolve the complexities or assumptions underlying these discussions.

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Suggest why a thin rod can bend more than thick rod without breaking
 
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Faiq said:
Suggest why a thin rod can bend more than thick rod without breaking

If you look at the equation for stress: F/A, a thicker rod would have more stress for the same force. Thus it would bend less without breaking.

This is just using the equation, I don't know why.
 
For the same bending angle, the stress is less in the thinner bar.
The breaking stress is a material characteristic so it is the same for two bars made from the same material.
 
They are asking in terms of extensions (I wrote the same answer and got it wrong)
 
Extensions and compressions are also less in a thin rod. They are proportional to the distance from the neutral axis.
But how can be "wrong" to discuss it in terms of stress?
 
You haven't really explained why the stress is lower in the thinner rod with just that answer. You should really mention that the stress is lower for a given bending angle because the strain is lower, and this is because of the distance from the neutral axis.
 
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The tensile strain at the outside of the bend is equal to the ratio t/R, where t is the distance from the neutral axis and R is the radius of curvature. So, in a thin rod having the same radius of curvature as a thick rod, the distance from the neutral axis at the outside of the bend is less and the tensile strain is less.
 
Because the bending stress depends on the distance between it's neutral axis (which is in the center for common shapes in the case of pure bending). So a thicker rod will experience larger maximum bending stress than a slim one when subject to forces of the same magnitude.
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DanielSauza said:
Because the bending stress depends on the distance between it's neutral axis (which is in the center for common shapes in the case of pure bending). So a thicker rod will experience larger maximum bending stress than a slim one when subject to forces of the same magnitude.
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M/I is the same thing as the elastic modulus E divided by the radius of curvature. So as I said in my post, for the same radius of curvature, with two rods of the same material, the thicker one will have a larger bending stress because it has material elements further from the neutral axis.
 
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Faiq said:
Suggest why a thin rod can bend more than thick rod without breaking
same reason why a arc of small radius subtends a larger angle at center than a arc of same length and larger radius
 
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hackhard said:
same reason why a arc of small radius subtends a larger angle at center than a arc of same length and larger radius
Please elaborate on how this answers the OPs question in terms of the stress required to cause the rod to break.
 

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