Can we power a light bulb with positrons?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the feasibility of powering a light bulb using positrons and the implications of using antimatter components. Participants explore theoretical scenarios involving antimatter materials and the potential outcomes of such an experiment.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that anti-tungsten, anti-copper, and other antimatter materials would be necessary to construct a light bulb powered by positrons.
  • There is a humorous suggestion that anti-glass and anti-air would also be needed, along with anti-people to observe the light bulb.
  • One participant proposes that positron annihilation with electrons could produce light, although the nature of this light might not be visible or could be lethal.
  • Another participant discusses the conditions under which a tungsten filament could operate normally if suspended in a perfect vacuum without contact with the bulb's seal.
  • A later reply raises a question about how to determine if galaxies observed through telescopes are made of antimatter, noting that the lack of observable x-rays from interactions with interstellar mediums is a key point.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various speculative ideas about the requirements for an antimatter light bulb and the implications for astrophysical observations. There is no consensus on the practicality or implications of these ideas, and multiple competing views remain.

Contextual Notes

Assumptions about the behavior of antimatter and the conditions necessary for its use in practical applications are not fully explored, and the discussion includes speculative elements regarding astrophysical phenomena.

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would we need anti-tungsten to do it.
 
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Yes and anti-copper, and anti whatever gas is in the lightbulb
 
i see
 
And anti-glass for the bulb, and anti-air outside the anti-glass, and anti-people to look at it... :biggrin:
 
mgb_phys said:
Yes and anti-copper, and anti whatever gas is in the lightbulb
That would be anti-argon (and a little anti-nitrogen). We'd also need anti-silicon and anti-oxygen. I suppose we could suspend it magnetically so we wouldn't need anti-air.
 
Wouldn't the positrons annihilating with electrons (or something else for that matter) produce "light"? Probably not visible, and\or lethal, but still I'd call it a lightbulb.
 
Back to the OP's question.
Assuming you had the tungsten filament suspended somehow so that it didn't have to touch the seal at the base of the bulb and you had a perfect vacuum in the bulb so you didn't have to worry about gas molecules hitting the anti-tugsten.

Then, yes it would work perfectly normally and you wouldn't be able to tell that the photons emitted were from anti-matter
 
mgb_phys said:
RE positrons in our light bulbs
Assuming you had the anti-tungsten filament suspended somehow so that it didn't have to touch the seal at the base of the bulb and you had a perfect vacuum in the bulb so you didn't have to worry about gas molecules hitting the anti-tugsten filament.

Then, yes it would work perfectly normally and you wouldn't be able to tell that the photons emitted were from anti-matter

This may be slightly off the subject, but how would we determine whether some (half?) of the millions of galaxies we see through the Sloan Digital Sky Survey and other telescopes were made of antimatter? Most of the photons we see from other galaxies are from atomic transitions (e.g.; Balmer series in hydrogen) and not from beta decay, so helicity is out.
 
Bob S said:
how would we determine whether some (half?) of the millions of galaxies we see through the Sloan Digital Sky Survey and other telescopes were made of antimatter?
You can't - the only reason to think they aren't is that you don't see the x-rays from where their anti-interstellar medium meets out interstellar medium.
 

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