Can You Solve This Equation with Quadratic Formula?

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The discussion revolves around solving the equation $$x^2+\frac{x^2}{(x+1)^2}=3$$ using various methods, including the quadratic formula and algebraic manipulation. Participants explore different approaches to derive solutions and analyze the resulting quartic equation.

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  • One participant suggests multiplying the original equation by $(x+1)^2$ to transform it into a quartic equation, leading to $$x^4+2x^3-x^2-6x-3=0$$ and identifies approximate real roots.
  • Another participant confirms the quartic can be factored into two quadratic factors, specifically $$(x^2 -x - 1)(x^2+3x+3)$$, and states that the real roots can be derived from the first factor.
  • A different approach is presented where a participant substitutes $$k=x+1$$ and reformulates the equation, ultimately arriving at the same quadratic equation $$k^2-3k+1=0$$ to find solutions for $$x$$.
  • One participant expresses hesitance about their method but shares it, indicating they explored all factor pair combinations to ensure the validity of their approach.
  • Another participant reiterates the factorization of the quartic equation and confirms the roots derived from the first factor, emphasizing the consistency of the results across different methods.

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Participants generally agree on the methods used to solve the equation and the resulting roots, but there is no explicit consensus on the superiority of one method over another. Multiple approaches are presented, and while they lead to similar conclusions, the discussion remains open to further exploration of the methods.

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The discussion includes various algebraic manipulations and substitutions, but some assumptions about the factorization and the nature of the roots are not fully resolved. The dependence on specific algebraic techniques may limit the generalizability of the approaches discussed.

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Solve $$x^2+\frac{x^2}{(x+1)^2}=3$$
 
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anemone said:
Solve $$x^2+\frac{x^2}{(x+1)^2}=3$$
Multiply by $(x+1)^2$ to get $(x^2-3)(x+1)^2 + x^2 = 0$, or $x^4+2x^3-x^2-6x-3=0.$ A graphing calculator shows that the quartic equation has two real roots, approximately $1.62$ and $-0.62.$ The only hope of finding the exact values is if the quartic has two quadratic factors. Since the sum of those two roots looks as though it is close to $1$, and their product close to $-1$, one of the factors ought to be $x^2 -x - 1.$ Sure enough, you find that $x^4+2x^3-x^2-6x-3=(x^2 -x - 1)(x^2+3x+3).$ So the (real) roots are those of the first factor, namely $x = \frac12\bigl(1\pm\sqrt5\bigr).$
 
Thanks Opalg, for your analysis of the problem and the correct solutions as well.

I feel somewhat reticent to post my 'silly' method but at the same time, I wanted to know if this is what we could actually do to solve an equation...

My solution:

Let $$k=x+1$$, we now have

$$(k-1)^2+\frac {(k-1)^2}{k^2}=3$$

$$k^2(k-1)^2+(k-1)^2=3k^2$$

$$(k-1)^2(k^2+1)=3k^2$$

We see that one of the possibilities that this equation can be rewritten is in the following manner:

$$(k-1)^2=k$$ and $$(k^2+1)=3k$$

For the first case, we simplify it to get:

$$k^2-3k+1=0$$

And for the second case, we also do the simplification and obtain:

$$k^2-3k+1=0$$

This means if we solve the equation $$k^2-3k+1=0$$, we will also solve the original equation.

Thus, $$k=\frac{3\pm \sqrt{9-4}}{2}=\frac{3\pm \sqrt{5}}{2}$$

Hence:

$$x=\frac{3\pm \sqrt{5}}{2}-1=\frac{1\pm \sqrt{5}}{2}$$

Edit: I have actually looked at all of the factor pair combinations in order to rewrite the equation $$(k-1)^2(k^2+1)=3k^2$$ as two equivalent equations, and the one that I gave above was the only combination yielding real solutions.
 
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Opalg said:
Multiply by $(x+1)^2$ to get $(x^2-3)(x+1)^2 + x^2 = 0$, or $x^4+2x^3-x^2-6x-3=0.$ A graphing calculator shows that the quartic equation has two real roots, approximately $1.62$ and $-0.62.$ The only hope of finding the exact values is if the quartic has two quadratic factors. Since the sum of those two roots looks as though it is close to $1$, and their product close to $-1$, one of the factors ought to be $x^2 -x - 1.$ Sure enough, you find that $x^4+2x^3-x^2-6x-3=(x^2 -x - 1)(x^2+3x+3).$ So the (real) roots are those of the first factor, namely $x = \frac12\bigl(1\pm\sqrt5\bigr).$
proceed as Opalg's solution : factoring f(x)

$f(x)=x^4+2x^3-x^2-6x-3=x^4+2x^3-3x-x^2-3x-3$

$=x(x^3+2x^2-3)-(x^2+3x+3)$

$=x(x^2+3x+3)(x-1)-(x^2+3x+3)$

$=(x^2-x-1)(x^2+3x+3)=0$

So the (real) roots are those of the first factor, namely $x = \frac12\bigl(1\pm\sqrt5\bigr).$
 

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