Cancellation of Groups in Internal Direct Products

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The discussion revolves around the properties of groups, specifically focusing on the isomorphism between direct products of groups. The original poster presents a scenario where G is a finite group, and GxH is isomorphic to GxK, prompting the need to prove that H is isomorphic to K. An example is provided to illustrate that this does not hold when G is infinite.

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  • Participants discuss the conditions necessary for isomorphisms between finite groups, noting that the orders of H and K must be equal. There is an exploration of the structure of the isomorphism and the implications of the direct product. Some participants express confusion regarding the assumptions made about the finiteness of groups and the validity of the claims presented.

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The discussion is active, with participants questioning the assumptions about the finiteness of groups H and K. Some guidance has been offered regarding the structure of isomorphisms, but there is no explicit consensus on the validity of the claims made. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored.

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There is an ongoing debate about the implications of the finiteness of groups in the context of isomorphisms and the specific conditions that must be satisfied for the isomorphism to hold. The original poster's example of infinite groups serves as a counterpoint to the claims made regarding finite groups.

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G, H, K are groups. G is finite. GxH is isomorphic to GxK. Prove H is isomorphic to K. Give an example to show that this does not hold when G is infinite.

The counter example when G is infinite is Rx{0} and RxR (R - real numbers)
I'm having trouble Proving the main part of the question. I have a hunch that the image of Gx{0} in GxK will be the direct product of a subgroup of G and a subgroup of K. Can someone help me?
 
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Oster said:
G, H, K are groups. G is finite. GxH is isomorphic to GxK. Prove H is isomorphic to K.

The first observation is that, for an isomorphism to exist between finite groups, the orders of the groups must be equal. So immediately H and K are of the same order.

Any isomorphism \phi : G \times H \to G \times K can be written in terms of maps \theta: G \to G and \psi : H \to K as
\phi(g,h) = (\theta(g),\psi(h))
Now work out the conditions \theta and \psi must satisfy for \phi to be an isomorphism.
 
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H and K need not be finite. And I don't see why your second claim should hold. Can you explain a bit more please?
 
Oster said:
H and K need not be finite. And I don't see why your second claim should hold. Can you explain a bit more please?

I should have \phi(g,h) = (\theta(g,h),\psi(g,h)) for \theta : G \times H \to G and \psi : G \times H \to K. The idea is then to look at \phi(1,h).
 

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