Capacitance of two unequal spheres

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The discussion revolves around the capacitance of two charged spheres with unequal radii that do not overlap. Participants explore theoretical approaches, practical applications, and numerical methods for estimating capacitance in this specific configuration.

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  • Exploratory
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  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about expressing the capacitance of two charged spheres with unequal radii, indicating a lack of prior examples.
  • Another participant questions the application of the problem and whether it is related to schoolwork, suggesting the use of modeling software like COMSOL.
  • A participant shares a rough estimation method involving electric field diagrams and spherical integrals, claiming acceptable agreement with experimental results for similar problems.
  • Another participant mentions that using COMSOL makes the problem straightforward, noting the presence of a similar example in the software manual.
  • A participant proposes a method to find the electric field and evaluate the potential difference between the spheres, asking for feedback on their reasoning.
  • One participant expresses gratitude for the helpfulness of the discussion and mentions conducting additional experimentation in their free time.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various methods and approaches to estimate the capacitance, but no consensus is reached on a definitive solution or method. Multiple competing views and techniques remain present in the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Some participants rely on assumptions about the electric field and charge distribution without fully resolving the mathematical details or dependencies on specific configurations.

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Assume that we have two charged spheres with unequal radii and which do not overlap. How cold we express their capacitance?
 
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peroAlex said:
Assume that we have two charged spheres with unequal radii and which do not overlap. How cold we express their capacitance?
That's a pretty complex problem. What is the application? Is this a schoolwork problem? Do you have access to COMSOL or another modeling software package?
 
berkeman said:
That's a pretty complex problem. What is the application? Is this a schoolwork problem? Do you have access to COMSOL or another modeling software package?

Literary it's my curiosity at work. I know how to compute capacitance for system of two charged spheres with equal radius, but I never came across example of how two charged spheres with unequal radius.

How could we, for example, find such capacitance? I do have COMSOL.
 
To estimate it roughly, you can just draw a picture like this (each end of each line is orthogonal to the sphere):
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then assign to each line a value of electric field, roughly equal to the voltage divided by the line's length;
then draw a rough diagram of the field on the big sphere, depending on the spherical angle,
multiplied by the electric constant, it's the charge distribution;
then, using some math, estimate the spherical integral and get the whole charge.
I did such estimations for similar problems, there was acceptable agreement with experiment.
 
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peroAlex said:
How could we, for example, find such capacitance? I do have COMSOL.

In COMSOL it is almost trivial, it is just an electrostatic model. I believe there is a somewhat similar example in the manual.
 
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If you have the charge stored in the spheres you can find and vectorial equation for the electric field, right?
With this equation you can use numerical methods to evaluate the integral of electrical field through the line which is the smallest path between the spheres (a line) and evaluate the potential field difference (voltage).
The capacitance will be the charge of one of the spheres divided by the voltage between they.
Can someone point any mistake in my thoughts?
 
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AlexCaledin said:
To estimate it roughly, you can just draw a picture like this (each end of each line is orthogonal to the sphere):
MokWZ.png
,
then assign to each line a value of electric field, roughly equal to the voltage divided by the line's length;
then draw a rough diagram of the field on the big sphere, depending on the spherical angle,
multiplied by the electric constant, it's the charge distribution;
then, using some math, estimate the spherical integral and get the whole charge.
I did such estimations for similar problems, there was acceptable agreement with experiment.

This was very helpful. In my free time I did some extra experimentation. Thank you so much for your time and patience!
 

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