How Is Capacitance Calculated for Different Capacitor Areas?

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The discussion focuses on calculating the capacitance of a parallel plate capacitor and the ambiguity surrounding the area denoted as "A." Participants emphasize the need for clarity regarding which capacitor corresponds to area A, as the original diagram is not provided. They explore the configuration of capacitors, debating whether they should be treated as a series or parallel combination based on their dielectric properties. The consensus is that each capacitor in the equivalent circuit can be considered to have area A, despite the total area being 2A in the diagram. Accurate identification of the capacitor areas is crucial for proper capacitance calculation.
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Homework Statement


Calculate the capacitance of the parallel plate capacitor shown in the following figure,between points X and Y.
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Homework Equations


##C##=##\frac{Kε0A}{d}##

The Attempt at a Solution


Which capacitor has an area "A"?
I will have to transform this into circuit diagram.
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Yes, calculate using your 'transformed' equivalent. I would not assume the dimension A to be of an area unless that were clearly stated somewhere.
 
NascentOxygen said:
I would not assume the dimension A to be of an area unless that were clearly stated somewhere.
Yes it is mentioned that A=area
 
Please show the original figure and text, not the one, modified by you.
 
ehild said:
Please show the original figure and text, not the one, modified by you.
Calculate the capacitance of the parallel plate capacitor shown in the following figure,between points X and Y.

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Show the real figure in the book, without modifying it.
 
ehild said:
Show the real figure in the book, without modifying it.
That's what it is.
 
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You show what areas are A, then ask "Which capacitor has an area "A"?" in the OP. Where is A in the original picture? Where are X and Y in the original picture?
 
Sorry
Now this one should be perfect.This is what I have in my textbook.
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Don't see attached file.
 
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gracy said:
Sorry
Now this one should be perfect.This is what I have in my textbook.
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I think the transformed circuit diagram by you is correct. Both the capacitors are having area A. You'll have to calculate the equivalent capacitance of the composite capacitor (the one with dielectric constants k2 and k3).
 
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cnh1995 said:
Both the capacitors are having area A.
But there are 3 capacitors ,right?
 
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gracy said:
But there are 3 capacitors ,right?
I'll prefer to call the capacitor on the right as a single capacitor with veriable dielectric constant. There is no metal connection between the dielectrics k2 and k3. So, I don't think they can be a series combination.
 
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Although there is no metal plate shown separating the different dielectrics, nothing would effectively change were you to include a third parallel metal plate as a separator because it would all be along a line of equipotential. So you can indeed analyse it as a series pair of capacitors.
 
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You're right. Seeing the answer I've got using the composite dielectric method, it turns out that it is effectively a series combination of the two.
 
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But what about area?The question does not clearly mention which capacitor has an area A?
 
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From the diagram,the total area is 2A. So, when you split this capacitor into two( or three) capacitors, the area of each capacitor will be A.
 
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cnh1995 said:
From the diagram,the total area is 2A. So, when you split this capacitor into two( or three) capacitors, the area of each capacitor will be A.
How in case of three capacitors the area of each capacitor will be A?
 
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gracy said:
How in case of three capacitors the area of each capacitor will be A?
I believe it means that the area of each side of every metal plate of the equivalent three capacitors here is A.
 
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gracy said:
But what about area?The question does not clearly mention which capacitor has an area A?
In the case of your equivalent set of three capacitors, each capacitor, C1, C2, and C3 has area A.
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