Capacitors in series with dielectrics

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The discussion revolves around calculating various parameters for a series circuit containing a 240 nF capacitor and a 4.0 µF capacitor with a dielectric. Key calculations include determining the charge stored in the 4.0 µF capacitor, the potential across each capacitor, and the spacing between the plates of the capacitor with the dielectric. The dielectric constant is essential for finding the electric field and energy density in the capacitor. The participants clarify the role of the dielectric in capacitance calculations and confirm that the given capacitance already accounts for it.
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Homework Statement



A ##240 nF## capacitor and a ##4.0 \mu F## capacitor are connected in series with a ##240 V## potential difference.

The ##4.0 \mu F## capacitor has a parallel plate configuration, with a surface area of ##110 cm^2## and a dielectric material between the plates. The dielectric constant is ##\kappa = 8##.

1. Calculate the charge stored in the ##4.0 \mu F## capacitor.

2. Calculate the potential across the ##4.0 \mu F## capacitor and the potential across the ##240 nF## capacitor.

3. Find the spacing between the plates of the ##4.0 \mu F## capacitor.

4. Find the magnitude of the electric field in the ##4.0 \mu F## capacitor.

5. Calculate the energy density in the ##4.0 \mu F## capacitor.

Homework Equations



##C_1 = 4.0 \mu F = 4.0 \times 10^{-6} F##
##C_2 = 240 nF = 240 \times 10^{-9} F##

##V = 240 V##
##\kappa = 8##

##q = CV##
##C = \epsilon_0 L##, where ##L## has the dimension of length.

Screenshot of how I figure the circuit looks: http://gyazo.com/6c138b176e22538339aa4ab44b899b50

For series capacitors: ##C_{eq} = (\sum_{i=1}^{n} \frac{1}{C_i})^{-1}##

The Attempt at a Solution



1. I'm slightly confused about how to factor in the dielectric material.

A potential is maintained across the circuit and a dielectric is filling the space between the plates of ##C_1##. So the effect of the dielectric is to increase the charge ##q_1## on ##C_1##, by increasing ##C_1## by factor of ##\kappa##?

Using this logic, I could find an equivalent capacitance ##C_{12}## given by:

##C_{12} = ( \frac{1}{\kappa C_1} + \frac{1}{C_2} )^{-1}##

Then using ##q_{12} = C_{12} V_{12}##, I could find the charge across ##C_{12}##.

Then using the fact that capacitors in series all have the same charge, we could write ##q_{12} = q_1 = q_2##.

Does this seem reasonable?
 
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No, you're given ##C_1##. That's the capacitance with the dielectric already factored in.

You need the dielectric constant to answer 3-5, which have to do with the internals of the capacitor.
 
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vela said:
No, you're given ##C_1##. That's the capacitance with the dielectric already factored in.

You need the dielectric constant to answer 3-5, which has to do with the internals of the capacitor.

Ah I was a bit confused about that. Thank you for you input.

1. An equivalent capacitor is given by:

##C_{12} = ( \frac{1}{C_1} + \frac{1}{C_2} )^{-1} = ( \frac{1}{4.0 \times 10^{-6} F} + \frac{1}{240 \times 10^{-9} F} )^{-1} = 2.2642 \times 10^{-7} = 2.3 \times 10^{-7} F##

The charge on this capacitor is given by:

##q_{12} = C_{12} V_{12} = (2.2642 \times 10^{-7} F) (240 V) = 0.000054 = 5.4 \times 10^{-5} C##

Since the capacitors are in series ##q_1 = q_2 = q_{12}##.
 
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Continuing the work here:

2. To obtain the potential across ##C_1##, simply use:

##q_1 = C_1 V_1 \Rightarrow V_1 = \frac{q_1}{C_1} = \frac{5.4 \times 10^{-5} C}{4.0 \times 10^{-6} F} = 13.5 V = 13 V##

To obtain the potential across ##C_2##:

##q_2 = C_2 V_2 \Rightarrow V_2 = \frac{q_2}{C_2} = \frac{5.4 \times 10^{-5} C}{240 \times 10^{-9} F} = 225 V = 230 V##

My results seem to be slightly off, not sure why. They should add up to ##240 V##.


3. To find the spacing between the plates of ##C_1##, simply use the general equation for a capacitor with a dielectric:

##C_1 = \kappa \epsilon_0 L = \kappa \epsilon_0 \frac{A_1}{d_1}##

Hence: ##d_1 = \kappa \epsilon_0 \frac{A_1}{C_1} = (8)(8.85 \times 10^{-12} \frac{F}{m}) \frac{0.011 m^2}{4.0 \times 10^{-6} F} = 1.947 \times 10^{-7} m = 1.9 \times 10^{-7} m##


4. Using Gauss' law with a dielectric and noting the electric field is constant between the plates:

##q_1 = \epsilon_0 \oint \kappa \vec{E} \cdot d \vec{A} = \kappa \epsilon_0 \oint \vec{E} \cdot d \vec{A} = \kappa \epsilon_0 E \oint dA## (Since ##\vec{E} \cdot d \vec{A} = E cos(0°) dA##).

The closed surface integral now gives the surface area of the plates, so we write:

##q_1 = \kappa \epsilon_0 E A \Rightarrow E = \frac{q_1}{\kappa \epsilon_0 A} = \frac{5.4 \times 10^{-5} C}{(8) (8.85 \times 10^{-12} \frac{F}{m}) (0.011 m^2)} = 6.934 \times 10^{7} \frac{V}{m} = 6.9 \times 10^{7} \frac{V}{m}##


5. To find the energy density of ##C_1##, simply use:

##u = \frac{1}{2} \epsilon_0 E^2 = \frac{1}{2} (8.85 \times 10^{-12} \frac{F}{m}) (6.934 \times 10^{7} \frac{V}{m})^2 = 21275.557 \frac{J}{m^3} = 21000 \frac{J}{m^3}##



Do these look good?
 
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Zondrina said:
Continuing the work here:

2. To obtain the potential across ##C_1##, simply use:

##q_1 = C_1 V_1 \Rightarrow V_1 = \frac{q_1}{C_1} = \frac{5.4 \times 10^{-5} C}{4.0 \times 10^{-6} F} = 13.5 V = 13 V##

To obtain the potential across ##C_2##:

##q_2 = C_2 V_2 \Rightarrow V_2 = \frac{q_2}{C_2} = \frac{5.4 \times 10^{-5} C}{240 \times 10^{-9} F} = 225 V = 230 V##

My results seem to be slightly off, not sure why. They should add up to ##240 V##.
It's just rounding. To the two sig figs you kept, the sum is consistent with 240 V.

3. To find the spacing between the plates of ##C_1##, simply use the general equation for a capacitor with a dielectric:

##C_1 = \kappa \epsilon_0 L = \kappa \epsilon_0 \frac{A_1}{d_1}##

Hence: ##d_1 = \kappa \epsilon_0 \frac{A_1}{C_1} = (8)(8.85 \times 10^{-12} \frac{F}{m}) \frac{0.011 m^2}{4.0 \times 10^{-6} F} = 1.947 \times 10^{-7} m = 1.9 \times 10^{-7} m##


4. Using Gauss' law with a dielectric and noting the electric field is constant between the plates:

##q_1 = \epsilon_0 \oint \kappa \vec{E} \cdot d \vec{A} = \kappa \epsilon_0 \oint \vec{E} \cdot d \vec{A} = \kappa \epsilon_0 E \oint dA## (Since ##\vec{E} \cdot d \vec{A} = E cos(0°) dA##).

The closed surface integral now gives the surface area of the plates, so we write:

##q_1 = \kappa \epsilon_0 E A \Rightarrow E = \frac{q_1}{\kappa \epsilon_0 A} = \frac{5.4 \times 10^{-5} C}{(8) (8.85 \times 10^{-12} \frac{F}{m}) (0.011 m^2)} = 6.934 \times 10^{7} \frac{V}{m} = 6.9 \times 10^{7} \frac{V}{m}##
You could also use ##V=Ed## since the electric field is uniform. It's a bit simpler, though your calculation is fine too.

5. To find the energy density of ##C_1##, simply use:

##u = \frac{1}{2} \epsilon_0 E^2 = \frac{1}{2} (8.85 \times 10^{-12} \frac{F}{m}) (6.934 \times 10^{7} \frac{V}{m})^2 = 21275.557 \frac{J}{m^3} = 21000 \frac{J}{m^3}##
You need to account for the dielectric medium here.
 
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