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The problem states that a particle moves in a plane under the influence of the following central force:
<br /> F = \frac{1}{r^2}\Big(1 - \frac{\dot{r}^2 - 2\ddot{r}r}{c^2}\Big)<br />
and I am asked to find the generalized potential that results in such a force. Goldstein gives the following equation involving generalized forces obtained from a potential ##U(q_j , \dot{q}_j)##:
<br /> Q_j = -\frac{\partial{U}}{\partial{q}_j} + \frac{d}{dt}\Big(\frac{\partial{U}}{\partial\dot{q}_j}\Big)<br />
This question is apparently just solved by "guessing" the potential. The answer is:
<br /> U(r, \dot{r}) = \frac{1}{r} + \frac{\dot{r}^2}{c^2r}<br />
And this can be checked by taking the appropriate derivatives and plugging them into the general Lagrange equation above. However, I want to make sure this is the only way to arrive at it; just making a lucky guess seems pretty unsatisfying. Therefore, I tried the following approach:
Suppose that the generalized potential is a sum of two potentials, namely:
<br /> U(r, \dot{r}) = U_1(r, \dot{r}) + U_2(r, \dot{r})<br />
Where we consider the following Lagrange equation:
F = -\frac{\partial{U}}{\partial{r}} + \frac{d}{dt}\Big(\frac{\partial{U}}{\partial{\dot{r}}}\Big)
Which is just the general Lagrange equation specific to the problem. I then equate the following, on a hunch:
-\frac{\partial{U_1}}{\partial{r}} = \frac{1}{r^2}
and
\frac{d}{dt}\Big(\frac{\partial{U_2}}{\partial{\dot{r}}}\Big) = \frac{-\dot{r}^2 + 2\ddot{r}r}{c^2r^2} = \frac{-\dot{r}^2}{c^2r^2} + \frac{2\ddot{r}r}{c^2r^2}
The first equation is easily solved such that:
U_1(r, \dot{r}) = \frac{1}{r}
But the second equation is where I may be using dubious methods. It stands to reason that:
\frac{\partial{U_2}}{\partial{\dot{r}}} = \int\Big[\frac{-\dot{r}^2}{c^2r^2} + \frac{2\ddot{r}r}{c^2r^2}\Big]dt
I now take an uneasy step. Treat ##r## as a constant such that I pull them out, break up the integral, and write the time derivatives in their proper forms:
\frac{\partial{U_2}}{\partial\dot{r}} = -\frac{1}{c^2r^2}\int\Big(\frac{dr}{dt}\Big)^2dt + \frac{2r}{c^2r^2}\int\frac{d^2r}{dt^2}dt = -\frac{1}{c^2r^2}\int\frac{dr}{dt}dr + \frac{2r}{c^2r^2}\int\frac{d^2r}{dt^2}dt
The second integral is easy to interpret; it's just ##\dot{r}##. But for the first, I use integration by parts and reintroduce the dot notation to get:
\frac{\partial{U_2}}{\partial{\dot{r}}} = -\frac{1}{c^2r^2}\Big[\dot{r}r - r\int\frac{d^2r}{dt^2}dr\Big] + \frac{2\dot{r}r}{c^2r^2} = \frac{2\dot{r}}{c^2r}
where I collected terms of ##\frac{\dot{r}r}{c^2r^2}## and then simplified. The potential can now be solved as:
U_2(r, \dot{r}) = \frac{2}{c^2r}\int\dot{r}d\dot{r} = \frac{\dot{r}^2}{c^2r}
By adding ##U_1## and ##U_2##, I have arrived at the correct answer! But this could be problematic. After all, ##r## is dependent upon ##t##, but I treated it as a constant during my integrations. Thus, my question is: is this a happy accident as a result of bad mathematics or does my method have some justification and I've just left out some details?
Assistance would be greatly appreciated!
<br /> F = \frac{1}{r^2}\Big(1 - \frac{\dot{r}^2 - 2\ddot{r}r}{c^2}\Big)<br />
and I am asked to find the generalized potential that results in such a force. Goldstein gives the following equation involving generalized forces obtained from a potential ##U(q_j , \dot{q}_j)##:
<br /> Q_j = -\frac{\partial{U}}{\partial{q}_j} + \frac{d}{dt}\Big(\frac{\partial{U}}{\partial\dot{q}_j}\Big)<br />
This question is apparently just solved by "guessing" the potential. The answer is:
<br /> U(r, \dot{r}) = \frac{1}{r} + \frac{\dot{r}^2}{c^2r}<br />
And this can be checked by taking the appropriate derivatives and plugging them into the general Lagrange equation above. However, I want to make sure this is the only way to arrive at it; just making a lucky guess seems pretty unsatisfying. Therefore, I tried the following approach:
Suppose that the generalized potential is a sum of two potentials, namely:
<br /> U(r, \dot{r}) = U_1(r, \dot{r}) + U_2(r, \dot{r})<br />
Where we consider the following Lagrange equation:
F = -\frac{\partial{U}}{\partial{r}} + \frac{d}{dt}\Big(\frac{\partial{U}}{\partial{\dot{r}}}\Big)
Which is just the general Lagrange equation specific to the problem. I then equate the following, on a hunch:
-\frac{\partial{U_1}}{\partial{r}} = \frac{1}{r^2}
and
\frac{d}{dt}\Big(\frac{\partial{U_2}}{\partial{\dot{r}}}\Big) = \frac{-\dot{r}^2 + 2\ddot{r}r}{c^2r^2} = \frac{-\dot{r}^2}{c^2r^2} + \frac{2\ddot{r}r}{c^2r^2}
The first equation is easily solved such that:
U_1(r, \dot{r}) = \frac{1}{r}
But the second equation is where I may be using dubious methods. It stands to reason that:
\frac{\partial{U_2}}{\partial{\dot{r}}} = \int\Big[\frac{-\dot{r}^2}{c^2r^2} + \frac{2\ddot{r}r}{c^2r^2}\Big]dt
I now take an uneasy step. Treat ##r## as a constant such that I pull them out, break up the integral, and write the time derivatives in their proper forms:
\frac{\partial{U_2}}{\partial\dot{r}} = -\frac{1}{c^2r^2}\int\Big(\frac{dr}{dt}\Big)^2dt + \frac{2r}{c^2r^2}\int\frac{d^2r}{dt^2}dt = -\frac{1}{c^2r^2}\int\frac{dr}{dt}dr + \frac{2r}{c^2r^2}\int\frac{d^2r}{dt^2}dt
The second integral is easy to interpret; it's just ##\dot{r}##. But for the first, I use integration by parts and reintroduce the dot notation to get:
\frac{\partial{U_2}}{\partial{\dot{r}}} = -\frac{1}{c^2r^2}\Big[\dot{r}r - r\int\frac{d^2r}{dt^2}dr\Big] + \frac{2\dot{r}r}{c^2r^2} = \frac{2\dot{r}}{c^2r}
where I collected terms of ##\frac{\dot{r}r}{c^2r^2}## and then simplified. The potential can now be solved as:
U_2(r, \dot{r}) = \frac{2}{c^2r}\int\dot{r}d\dot{r} = \frac{\dot{r}^2}{c^2r}
By adding ##U_1## and ##U_2##, I have arrived at the correct answer! But this could be problematic. After all, ##r## is dependent upon ##t##, but I treated it as a constant during my integrations. Thus, my question is: is this a happy accident as a result of bad mathematics or does my method have some justification and I've just left out some details?
Assistance would be greatly appreciated!
