Center of mass and center of energy

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The discussion explores the concept that the center of mass in an isolated system may not be strictly conserved, while the "center of energy" is posited to remain fixed. The argument suggests that the center of mass is influenced by the larger mass energies compared to other energy scales. Participants agree that the center of energy in a closed system is conserved, as supported by the equations of motion that describe energy-momentum exchanges. The conversation raises questions about the lack of common teaching regarding the center of energy, particularly in relation to mass energy. Overall, the distinction between center of mass and center of energy is emphasized as an important yet under-discussed topic in physics.
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center of mass and "center of energy"

Hi everyone,

I recently came across a little thought experiment in a book that seemed to imply that the center of mass of an isolated system is not a strictly conserved quantity. Rather, it is the "center of energy" that remains fixed. The idea of a "center of mass", then, just comes from the fact that mass energies tend to be much larger than other relevant energy scales. I've tried to write up the book's argument clearly here: http://gravityandlevity.wordpress.c...ence-of-mass-and-energy-the-center-of-energy/ I'm not fully convinced there isn't a flaw in the reasoning somewhere.

Maybe this is common knowledge, but I had never heard it before. Is the "center of energy" of a closed system strictly conserved?
 
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gravityandlev said:
Maybe this is common knowledge, but I had never heard it before. Is the "center of energy" of a closed system strictly conserved?

Yes, I think so. The motion equations of a closed system describe the energy-momentum exchanges between the constituents. Summed up, the equations give the center of energy coordinate R moving with a constant velocity. See L. Landau, E. Lifschitz, "The Classical Theory of Fields"

Bob.
 


Thanks, Bob. I'll look it up.

Come to think of it, I have heard of this concept in the context of electromagnetic fields. I guess I just didn't think to apply it to mass energy as well. I wonder why it is not commonly taught?
 
So I know that electrons are fundamental, there's no 'material' that makes them up, it's like talking about a colour itself rather than a car or a flower. Now protons and neutrons and quarks and whatever other stuff is there fundamentally, I want someone to kind of teach me these, I have a lot of questions that books might not give the answer in the way I understand. Thanks
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