Centroid Problem: Find xbar, ybar in Quadrant 1 of xy-plane

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The discussion revolves around finding the centroid of a region in the first quadrant of the xy-plane, specifically bounded by the equations x=0, x=1, y=x-x^2, and y^2=2x. Participants are exploring the calculations for x-bar and y-bar, as well as the area of the region.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the limits of integration for x and y, questioning their validity. There are attempts to compute the area and centroids, with some expressing uncertainty about their results. Others suggest sketching the region to aid understanding.

Discussion Status

Some participants have made progress in calculating the values for x-bar and y-bar, reporting results that seem more reasonable than their initial attempts. However, there is still some uncertainty regarding the area calculation and the correctness of the integrals used.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention that this is part of a test review, indicating a focus on understanding the concepts rather than just obtaining answers. There is also a reference to another problem involving cylindrical coordinates, suggesting ongoing learning needs.

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Homework Statement



Find the centroid of the region in the first quadrant of the xy-plane bounded by the graphs of the equations:
x=0, x=1, y=x-x^2, and y^2=2x

Homework Equations


xbar: integral of x dA/ integral of dA
ybar: integral y dA/ integral of dA

The Attempt at a Solution



my attempt at it was not so great, i determined the limit for the x values were from 0 to 1, the y limits were from x-x^2 to square root of 2x. I am not sure if the limits I chose are even valid, but that is what I could grasp. Then integrated dydx respectively with the limits, and ended up with 1/2 as the dA. I tried to find ybar and ended up with 29/15, which is clearly wrong if I have the concept of centroids correct. I attempted xbar but I can't seem to get too far.

Can I get some help please? this is a test review and need to understand this concept
 
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3soteric said:

Homework Statement



Find the centroid of the region in the first quadrant of the xy-plane bounded by the graphs of the equations:
x=0, x=1, y=x-x^2, and y^2=2x

Homework Equations


xbar: integral of x dA/ integral of dA
ybar: integral y dA/ integral of dA

The Attempt at a Solution



my attempt at it was not so great, i determined the limit for the x values were from 0 to 1, the y limits were from x-x^2 to square root of 2x. I am not sure if the limits I chose are even valid, but that is what I could grasp. Then integrated dydx respectively with the limits, and ended up with 1/2 as the dA. I tried to find ybar and ended up with 29/15, which is clearly wrong if I have the concept of centroids correct. I attempted xbar but I can't seem to get too far.

Can I get some help please? this is a test review and need to understand this concept
Hello 3soteric. Welcome to PF !

First of all, sketch the region of interest.

The area is not 1/2. Is that what you had?

What Is it that you integrated for the area, A, for xbar for ybar?
 
thanks for the welcome sam!

do i sketch it and upload the image? the area seems to be limited vertically in y sense by x-x^2 and sqrt2x, horizontally by x=0, and x=1, for area yes i ended up with 1/2 but can you show me why is it wrong or the process? for ybar i got 29/15 and i couldn't calculate xbar by the nature of integration but i ended up with 10.8 as the final value if i remember which seems wrong as well
 
3soteric said:
thanks for the welcome sam!

do i sketch it and upload the image? the area seems to be limited vertically in y sense by x-x^2 and sqrt2x, horizontally by x=0, and x=1, for area yes i ended up with 1/2 but can you show me why is it wrong or the process? for ybar i got 29/15 and i couldn't calculate xbar by the nature of integration but i ended up with 10.8 as the final value if i remember which seems wrong as well

It seems that you do understand the region correctly.

The area is simply \displaystyle \text{A}=\int_{0}^{1} (\sqrt{2x}-(x-x^2))\,dx\ .

The integral for \bar{x} should be less complicated than the integral for \bar{y}\ .
 
yo sam thanks ! i ended up getting the values for x bar, y bar respectively as .5141, .408 which make much more sense than the values i derived at the beginning of the problem.:cool:
 
3soteric said:
yo sam thanks ! i ended up getting the values for x bar, y bar respectively as .5141, .408 which make much more sense than the values i derived at the beginning of the problem.:cool:
What did you get for the area?
 
SammyS said:
What did you get for the area?
i ended up getting .776!
 
3soteric said:
i ended up getting .776!
That's correct, (if it's not a factorial LOL).

I got something a bit different for \bar{x}\,, but I wasn't all that careful in getting it.
 
SammyS said:
That's correct, (if it's not a factorial LOL).

I got something a bit different for \bar{x}\,, but I wasn't all that careful in getting it.

LOL its not a factorial ! phew!

im sure i have the right idea regardless right?

by the way you think you can help me with the new problem i posted in this same section about cylindrical coordinates LOL, if you have time of course. I've been trying for the longest and don't seem to understand the concept
 

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