Challenging Integrals in Calculus 1-2: Expand Your Problem-Solving Skills!

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The discussion revolves around challenging integrals suitable for Calculus 1-2, with participants sharing various integral problems and expressing their thoughts on their difficulty and interesting properties. The focus is on exploring integrals that may be fun or intriguing to solve, without reaching any consensus on their solvability or difficulty level.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant requests hard integrals to solve, specifically within the range of Calculus 1-2.
  • Several integrals are proposed, including \(\int{\frac{(1+x^{2})dx}{(1-x^{2})\sqrt{1+x^{4}}}}\) and \(\int e^{-x^2} dx\), with varying opinions on their appropriateness for the specified calculus levels.
  • Some participants express doubt about the inclusion of certain integrals, such as \(\int e^{-x^2} dx\), suggesting it may not belong to the Calculus 1-2 curriculum.
  • Integrals like \(\int_{0}^{\infty} \sin(x^2)dx\) are described as hard but famous, with some participants sharing their experiences of solving them.
  • One participant discusses their approach to solving \(\int \frac{1}{x^5+1}dx\) and expresses uncertainty about their method involving substitution and integration by parts.
  • There are multiple mentions of the Gaussian integral and its evaluation, with some participants discussing the use of polar coordinates and limits at infinity.
  • Concerns are raised about the evaluation of improper integrals and the behavior of oscillating functions as they approach infinity, leading to further questions about convergence.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the difficulty or appropriateness of the integrals shared. There are differing opinions on which integrals are suitable for Calculus 1-2, and some participants express confusion or uncertainty about specific methods and concepts.

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Some integrals discussed may involve concepts or techniques that extend beyond the typical scope of Calculus 1-2, such as improper integrals and advanced evaluation methods. Participants express varying levels of familiarity with these concepts, indicating a range of understanding within the group.

  • #61
camilus said:
I =\int {sinxcosx \over sin^4x+cos^4x}dx

Is that supposed to be difficult, or what ?

I= -\frac{1}{2}\int \frac{d(\cos 2x)}{(\cos 2x)^2 + 2\left[1-(\cos 2x)^2\right]} =...

ends up in something proportional to argth(fraction involving arccos).
 
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  • #62
double angle identity for sine allowed me to solve in terms of arctangent when u=cos(2x)
 
  • #63
Did you get arctangent circular or arctangent hyperbolic ?
 
  • #64
circular
 
  • #65
it's wrong, because there's a minus in the denominator. it should be the hyperbolic artangent function.
 
  • #66
i doubt it. Even wolfram integrator says its correct. Show your work?
 
  • #67
here is a sexy one

\\int \\sqrt {\\x^2+1} dx whoops latex is rusty ... be patient dang how thu??
 
  • #68
You can use tex tags to display \LaTeX.

For the integral, do a trig sub.
 
  • #70
This one can be done without the hyperbolic functions but it is a good page long

\int \sqrt {x^2 + 1}\, dx
 
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  • #71
\int\!\!\sqrt{x^2+1}\,\mathrm{d}x is a fun one...
 
  • #72
\int\!\!\sqrt{x^2+1}\,\mathrm{d}x looks like a problem I'd be banging my head against the wall to solve. I'm assuming you use tan2 + 1 = sec2 and some funny manipulation?
 
  • #73
Ok, people are accustomed to solve the \int \sqrt{x^2 +1} \, dx by some trigonometric substitution, either hyperbolic sine, or circular secant/cosecant.

But there's a third way which is not transcendental until the end. The substitution

\sqrt{x^2 +1} - x = t
 
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  • #74
(tanx)^1/2
 
  • #75
andyb177 said:
(tanx)^1/2

\int \sqrt{\tan x} \, dx

is a well-known elliptic integral. It can be evaluated by Mathematica explicitely.
 
  • #76
gb7nash said:
\int\!\!\sqrt{x^2+1}\,\mathrm{d}x looks like a problem I'd be banging my head against the wall to solve. I'm assuming you use tan2 + 1 = sec2 and some funny manipulation?

Why couldn't you just perform a general u-substitution with this setting u = x^2 + 1 du =2xdx, dx= du/2x -> int [sqrt(u)/2x]du x=+/-sqrt(u-1)
lol, nevermind. Sorry!
 
  • #77
If we let u^2 = \tan x we have
\[ \int \frac{ 2u^2}{1+ u^4} du = \int \frac{ u^2 + 1}{1+u^4} du + \int \frac{ u^2 - 1}{1+u^4} du \]<br /> <br /> \[ = \int \frac{ 1+ \frac{1}{u^2} }{u^2 + \frac{1}{u^2} } du + \int \frac{ 1- \frac{1}{u^2} }{u^2 + \frac{1}{u^2} } du \]<br /> <br /> \[ = \int \frac{ d\left( u - \frac{1}{u} \right) }{ \left( u - \frac{1}{u} \right)^2 +2 } + \int \frac{ d\left( u + \frac{1}{u} \right) }{ \left( u + \frac{1}{u} \right)^2 -2 } \]<br /> <br /> \[ = \frac{ 1}{\sqrt{2}} \left( \tan^{-1} \left( \frac{ u - \frac{1}{u}}{\sqrt{2}} \right) - \tanh^{-1} \left( \frac{ u + \frac{1}{u}}{\sqrt{2}} \right) \right) + C \]<br /> <br /> \[ = \frac{ 1}{\sqrt{2}} \left( \tan^{-1} \left( \frac{ \sqrt{\tan x} - \sqrt{\cot x}}{\sqrt{2}} \right) - \tanh^{-1} \left( \frac{ \sqrt{\tan x} + \sqrt{\cot x}}{\sqrt{2}} \right) \right) + C \]
 
  • #78
Would anyone be interested if I started a new topic here, and posted all the integrals I have ?

I have spent perhaps a week going through my book and various webpages to find all the challenging and interesting integrals I could. Some are taken from here but many are not.

I think I have about 100-120 integrals. Ranging from easy to really hard. Would anyone be interested in that? Ofcourse I could post all of them here, but it would be messy. Much nicer with a first post containing integrals.
 
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  • #79
Sure why not. I'll even attempt to do them using complex analysis. Maybe.
 
  • #80
\int xe^{ax}sin(bx) dx

I LOVED solving this one; took an intellectual pleasure in it, to be honest :P .

It's not hard actually, just quite a bit of work.
 
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  • #81
you guys really love your taylor expansions
 
  • #82
Check this

:biggrin:

∫1/(1+x4) dx
 

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  • #83
Here is an interesting one I came up with.
\int_{-\frac{\pi}{2}}^{\frac{\pi}{2}}\frac{\log(\cos(x))dx}{e^x+1}
 
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  • #84
Please give me an answer!

see the question_attached and please let me know your method to solve this. :)
 

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  • #85
First you can drop the absolute value for the sine, since it's completely positive on the integration domain. Then I'd use a trick writing

\sin x = \mbox{Im}\left(e^{ix}\right).
 
  • #86
dextercioby said:
First you can drop the absolute value for the sine, since it's completely positive on the integration domain. Then I'd use a trick writing

\sin x = \mbox{Im}\left(e^{ix}\right).

That method doesn't work since it arrives at a different result than the correct answer. The imaginary part cannot be taken after the integral to obtain the same answer since the logarithm doesn't work that way.
 
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  • #87
chandi2398 said:
see the question_attached and please let me know your method to solve this. :)

The correct way to evaluate this integral is as follows. Call the integral ##\displaystyle I##.

Sub ##\displaystyle y = \frac{\pi}{2} - x##.

Now you can prove that ##\displaystyle I = \int_0^\frac{\pi}{2} \ln \cos y dy = \int_0^\frac{\pi}{2} \ln \cos x dx##.

Hence ##\displaystyle 2I = \int_0^\frac{\pi}{2} \ln (\frac{1}{2}\sin 2x) dx = \int_0^\frac{\pi}{2}(-\ln 2)dx + \int_0^\frac{\pi}{2}\ln \sin 2x dx = -\frac{\pi\ln 2}{2} + \int_0^\frac{\pi}{2}\ln \sin 2x dx ##.

Now ##\displaystyle \int_0^\frac{\pi}{2}\ln \sin 2x dx = \frac{1}{2}\int_0^{\pi}\ln \sin x dx## as should become apparent after another sub of ##\displaystyle u = 2x##.

##\displaystyle \frac{1}{2}\int_0^{\pi}\ln \sin x dx = (2)(\frac{1}{2})\int_0^{\frac{\pi}{2}}\ln \sin x dx = I ## by symmetry.

So you're left with ##\displaystyle 2I = I -\frac{\pi\ln 2}{2}## yielding ##\displaystyle I = -\frac{\pi\ln 2}{2}##
 
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  • #88
3 very hard ones (spoiler alert: they do not have an anti derivative)

\int^1_0 \frac{\ln(1+x)}{1+x^2} dx


\int^1_0 \frac{x-1}{\ln(x)} dx

\int^1_0 \frac{\ln(1-x)}{x} dx
 
  • #89
dumbperson said:
\int^1_0 \frac{\ln(1+x)}{1+x^2} dx
This one is fairly straightforward, use the substitution ##x=\tan\theta##.
\int^1_0 \frac{x-1}{\ln(x)} dx
For this one, define:
$$I(a)=\int_0^1 \frac{x^a-1}{\ln(x)}dx$$
Differentiate both the side with respect to a to get:
$$\frac{dI}{da}=\int_0^1 x^a\,dx=\frac{1}{a+1}$$
$$\Rightarrow I(a)=\ln|a+1|+C$$
It can be easily seen that C=0. We need the value of I(a) when a=1, hence,
$$I(1)=\ln(2)$$
\int^1_0 \frac{\ln(1-x)}{x} dx
We use the series expansion of ##\ln(1-x)## i.e
$$\ln(1-x)=-\sum_{k=1}^{\infty} \frac{x^k}{k}$$
Hence, our integral is:
$$-\int_0^1 \frac{1}{x}\sum_{k=1}^{\infty} \frac{x^k}{k}\,dx$$
$$=-\sum_{k=1}^{\infty} \int_0^1 \frac{x^{k-1}}{k}\,dx$$
$$=-\sum_{k=1}^{\infty} \frac{1}{k^2}=-\zeta(2)$$
 
  • #90
Goa'uld said:
Here is an interesting one I came up with.
\int_{-\frac{\pi}{2}}^{\frac{\pi}{2}}\frac{\log(\cos(x))dx}{e^x+1}

Let
$$I=\int_{-\frac{\pi}{2}}^{\frac{\pi}{2}}\frac{\log(\cos(x))dx}{e^x+1}$$
We can also write:
$$I=\int_{-\frac{\pi}{2}}^{\frac{\pi}{2}}\frac{\log(\cos(x))dx}{e^{-x}+1}$$
Add both the expressions for I to get:
$$2I=\int_{-\pi/2}^{\pi/2} ln(\cos(x))\,dx=2\int_0^{\pi/2}ln(\cos(x))\,dx$$
I can rewrite the above as:
$$I=\int_0^{\pi/2} \ln(\sin(x))$$
The above definite integral is evaluated by Curious3141 in his post #87.
 

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