Changing Earth's Orbit: How Has the Speed Around the Sun Evolved?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the evolution of Earth's orbital speed around the Sun over geological timescales, exploring whether the duration of Earth's orbit has changed significantly over billions of years and examining potential causes for such changes.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the plausibility of Earth's orbital period being shorter or longer in the distant past, seeking studies or evidence on the rate of change.
  • Another participant provides historical data indicating that Earth's orbit was approximately 1.38E08 km with a period of 0.89 years shortly after the solar system's formation, and predicts future changes in distance and period.
  • Discussion includes potential causes of changes in Earth-Sun distance, with one participant suggesting that tidal braking may contribute, while another dismisses the expanding universe as a factor.
  • A participant expresses surprise at the magnitude of changes discussed, indicating a belief that they would be greater than presented.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the extent and causes of changes in Earth's orbital characteristics, with no consensus reached on the implications of these changes.

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Some claims rely on specific historical data and predictions, which may depend on various assumptions about orbital mechanics and environmental factors. The discussion does not resolve the implications of these changes on Earth's climate or other systems.

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I understand that the Earth takes 365 days (give or take) to orbit the sun. I also understand that the physics of the universe are in continual flux (expanding universe, cooling suns, etc).

Question: Is it plausible to assume that the Earth took a shorter/longer time to orbit the sun a billion (5 billion, 10 billion) years ago? If so, is there any studies or evidence indicating the rate of change?
 
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With a little help from google I got:

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After the formation of the solar system (-4.5 Byr) the Earth orbit was at 1.38E08 km (presently 1.50E08 km) and the Earth period was 0.89 years. In the future (+4.5Byr), they are predicted to be 1.64E08 km and 1.15 yr. At -4.5 Byr, present temperatures of -50, zero, and + 50 C were higher at -40.5, 11.7, and 63.9 C, respectively. It is predicted that in +4.5 Byr, these temperatures will have decreased to -60.0, -12.2, and 35.5 C. In the past million years, the present -50, 0, and +50 C temperatures were about 0.03C higher, and will be about 0.03 C lower in another million years. These results indicate that temperature changes due to solar-Earth orbital interactions do not significantly contribute to the observed Earth global warming observations.

Above is from:

American Geophysical Union - 2007 Fall Meeting
Earth Orbit, Period, and Temperature - Past and Future
(Abstract)

Presentation:
10–14 December 2007
Ingo H. Leubner Rochester
Institute for fundamental Research
 
So, causes of change in Earth-Sun distance:

- expanding universe: no
- tidal braking: yes
 
Hmmm.. thank you very much! I had the impression that the changes would be much greater.
 

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