Does light have 2 electric field components?

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The discussion centers around the nature of light and its electric field components, particularly in the context of Huygens' principle and the behavior of light in anisotropic materials. Participants explore the visualization of light as having two perpendicular electric field components and how this relates to refraction and birefringence.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether light has two perpendicular components of electric field, suggesting that these components could propagate at different speeds in an anisotropic material.
  • Another participant confirms that light can be separated into two perpendicularly-polarized beams, referencing birefringence as a phenomenon that illustrates this.
  • A participant seeks clarification on how to visualize the two components, expressing confusion about the relationship between the electric and magnetic fields in this context.
  • One participant explains that any vector, including the electric field of light, can be decomposed into two perpendicular components, using the analogy of decomposing weight on an inclined plane.
  • This participant emphasizes that the decomposition is a model to aid understanding and does not imply that the wave is actually separated into distinct entities.
  • Another participant appreciates the analogies provided, indicating that they found the explanations helpful for their understanding.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying degrees of understanding and visualization of the concept, with some agreeing on the decomposition of the electric field while others remain uncertain about the implications of this model in relation to the physical behavior of light.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes limitations in visualization and understanding of the electric and magnetic field components of light, particularly in anisotropic media. There is also a reliance on analogies that may not fully capture the complexities of wave behavior.

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Hi, we are currently working on Huygens constructions and I'm having trouble visualising it. I understand that, say if a light wave is incident upon an anisotropic material that if you consider it's electric field going perperdicular in one direction it will be refracted differently than if you consider it's electric field perpendicular in another direction (due to the refractive index of the material effecting each perpendicular componant differently.)

My question is does light have 2 perpendicular components of electric field? so you would effectively have 2 beams going through the material at different speeds, due to one perpendicular componant of light being refracted more than the other? Or would you consider each perpendicular componant separately (i.e. it only has one at any time)?

Getting a bit lost with this!

Please see attached images, the dotted line is for one componant, the plane wave line is for the other perpendicular componant.

How do I visualise this?

Thanks for any help!
 

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rwooduk said:
My question is does light have 2 perpendicular components of electric field? so you would effectively have 2 beams going through the material at different speeds, due to one perpendicular componant of light being refracted more than the other?

Yes. You can use this to separate a single beam into two perpendicularly-polarized beams. See the images here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birefringence
 
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jtbell said:
Yes. You can use this to separate a single beam into two perpendicularly-polarized beams. See the images here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birefringence
Thanks for the answer, but how would you visualise this? So the standard image (show below) is not correct?

light_magnetic.jpg


Maybe I'm confusing things, I'm trying to visualise a beam of light that has two perpendicular electric field componants, and i cant. I looked at the images on the wiki page, but where's the magnetic field?
 
Any vector can be decomposed into two perpendicular components. Like when you decompose the weight of a body into normal and tangential components on an inclined plane. It does not mean that the body has two weights, does it?
In the image the electric field is horizontal. You could decompose it into two components at 45 degree angles from horizontal (above and below horizontal plane). It's not an unique decomposition, for sure. Just an example. Then you can imagine two waves with propagating simultaneously, with the two electric field and the appropriate magnetic fields (B perpendicular to E in air or vacuum)
As long as the wave is in an isotropic medium, the two components have the same phase and you can (imaginary) put them together to obtain a wave with a single E component. In an anisotropic medium the two components will propagate with different speeds and a phase difference will appear.

Remember that this is just a model to help operate with waves in anisotropic medium. The wave is not actually "separated". The original plane or spherical wave is distorted due to the anisotropy of the medium and the propagation becomes more complicated. An easy way to describe what happens is to use this component model. Same as decomposing vectors or motion to do calculations does not mean that we actually have two "objects".
 
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nasu said:
Any vector can be decomposed into two perpendicular components. Like when you decompose the weight of a body into normal and tangential components on an inclined plane. It does not mean that the body has two weights, does it?
In the image the electric field is horizontal. You could decompose it into two components at 45 degree angles from horizontal (above and below horizontal plane). It's not an unique decomposition, for sure. Just an example. Then you can imagine two waves with propagating simultaneously, with the two electric field and the appropriate magnetic fields (B perpendicular to E in air or vacuum)
As long as the wave is in an isotropic medium, the two components have the same phase and you can (imaginary) put them together to obtain a wave with a single E component. In an anisotropic medium the two components will propagate with different speeds and a phase difference will appear.

Remember that this is just a model to help operate with waves in anisotropic medium. The wave is not actually "separated". The original plane or spherical wave is distorted due to the anisotropy of the medium and the propagation becomes more complicated. An easy way to describe what happens is to use this component model. Same as decomposing vectors or motion to do calculations does not mean that we actually have two "objects".
Thanks, some very good analogies there! you really helped clear things up in my head! thankyou very much!
 
You are very welcome.
 

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