Charge & Valency of Chemistry Formulas: Explained

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The discussion revolves around the concepts of charge and valency in chemical formulas, particularly focusing on compounds like carbon dioxide, nitrogen monoxide, and others. Participants express confusion regarding how charges balance in these compounds and the rules governing their formation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the charges of carbon and oxygen in carbon dioxide, questioning why carbon, which is in group 4, does not have a charge of +/- 4.
  • Another participant notes that oxygen typically has a charge of -2, while nitrogen usually has a charge of -3, leading to confusion about the bonding in nitrogen monoxide.
  • There is a suggestion that memorization or lookup of formulas may be necessary due to the perceived randomness of charges in certain compounds.
  • Some participants mention that there are patterns, such as oxygen consistently having a charge of -2, and that carbon can have stable valences of +2 and +4.
  • A request for clarification on the bonding in nitrogen monoxide is made, highlighting the differing electron gain tendencies of nitrogen and oxygen.
  • One participant discusses the octet rule in relation to nitrogen, questioning how nitrogen can bond while having only 7 electrons after bonding.
  • A later reply explains nitrogen's group placement and its electron configuration, introducing concepts of electron pairs and radicals.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally express confusion and uncertainty regarding the charges and bonding rules, with no consensus reached on how to approach learning these concepts or resolving the discrepancies in charge assignments.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various compounds and their associated charges without resolving the underlying assumptions about electron configurations and bonding rules. The discussion reflects a lack of clarity on how to apply the octet rule consistently across different elements.

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i am confused with charge and valency of some formula.

for carbon dioxide CO oxygen has a charge of -2 and carbon has a charge of +2. I thought though carbon is in 4 so its charge should be +/- 4.for nitrogen monoxide NO oxygen has a charge of 2- usually and nitrogen usually has a charge of -3 so this makes no sense to me as the charge is supposed to balance of the compound and both atoms want to gain electrons which also does not make sense to me.

i have the same problems with dinitrogen tetroxide, nitrogen dioxide,sulfur dioxide, sulphur trioxide, and phosphorous(v) chloride. how are you supposed to know the formula and for these if they all have random charges and do not follow the rules? do you just learn them off?
 
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markosheehan said:
i am confused with charge and valency of some formula.

for carbon dioxide CO oxygen has a charge of -2 and carbon has a charge of +2. I thought though carbon is in 4 so its charge should be +/- 4.for nitrogen monoxide NO oxygen has a charge of 2- usually and nitrogen usually has a charge of -3 so this makes no sense to me as the charge is supposed to balance of the compound and both atoms want to gain electrons which also does not make sense to me.

i have the same problems with dinitrogen tetroxide, nitrogen dioxide,sulfur dioxide, sulphur trioxide, and phosphorous(v) chloride. how are you supposed to know the formula and for these if they all have random charges and do not follow the rules? do you just learn them off?

Yes. Basically you just learn them off, or look them up.

There are some patterns though.
Oxygen always has -2 in practice.
But many other elements have multiple valences in which they have a stable bond.
For instance C is known to have +2 and +4 as stable valences.
Consequently both CO and CO2 are stable.
 
ok thanks. could you explain the bonding in NO. both of these elements want to gain different numbers of electrons so how do they bond to each other.
 
Nitrogen is in group 5, meaning it has 5 electrons in its outermost shell. Oxigen is in group 6 and 'stronger'. So oxigen completes the octet in its outer shell.
A bar or 2 dots close together represent a pair of 2 electrons that is somewhat stable.
A loose dot indicates a single electron, which is highly reactive - it wants to make a pair.
Molecules with a loose electron are called radicals, and they won't exist long given the opportunity to bind another molecule.
 
thanks
 

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