Charged capacitors connected together, find the final potential difference

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of charged capacitors connected together, specifically focusing on the final potential difference between them. The subject area involves concepts from electrostatics and capacitor theory.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the relationship between charge and potential difference in capacitors, questioning the assumption that two capacitors in series have the same charge. There is a discussion about the total charge before and after the capacitors are connected, and the implications of using a single battery for charging.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively questioning the assumptions made about the charge and potential difference in the context of the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the conditions under which the capacitors were charged, but there is no explicit consensus on the interpretations being discussed.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of the initial conditions of the capacitors before they are connected, which may influence the understanding of their charge and potential difference. The problem statement is noted as a point of confusion for some participants.

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Homework Statement


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Homework Equations


C = Q/V

The Attempt at a Solution


Q1 = Q2
C1*V1 = C2*V2
2*V1 = 5*V2
V2 = 2/5*V1

V1+V2 =100
7/5*V1 = 100
V1 = 71.4 V

Can someone verify my working? Thanks!
 

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The Blind Watchmaker said:

The Attempt at a Solution


Q1 = Q2 ← How do you conclude this?
C1*V1 = C2*V2
2*V1 = 5*V2
V2 = 2/5*V1

Two different valued capacitors with the same potential difference will have the same charge?
 
Note that before the switches are closed, Q1 ≠ Q2. What is the total charge on the two bottom plates before the switches are closed? What is the total charge on the two bottom plates after the switches are closed?
 
gneill said:
Two different valued capacitors with the same potential difference will have the same charge?
They are in series thus Q1=Q2. I do not get why they have the same potential difference as I assume only 1 battery is used
 
The Blind Watchmaker said:
They are in series thus Q1=Q2. I do not get why they have the same potential difference as I assume only 1 battery is used
There are two issues in your understanding. When we connect two capacitors in series using only one battery q for each is taken to be the same. Just make such a connection with two different capacitors and then argue why we take charge stored by these capacitors to be the same. But in this problem they have been charged separately to the same potential difference.
 
The Blind Watchmaker said:
They are in series thus Q1=Q2. I do not get why they have the same potential difference as I assume only 1 battery is used
Read the problem statement carefully as to how the capacitors are prepared *before* they are connected to each other.
 

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