ChemE major who hates Organic Chemistry

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the challenges faced by a Chemical Engineering (ChemE) major struggling with Organic Chemistry (OC), particularly in the context of academic performance and the relevance of OC to the ChemE curriculum. Participants share their experiences and offer support and advice regarding the subject matter.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses significant difficulty with Organic Chemistry 2, questioning their choice of major and seeking study tips.
  • Another participant shares their experience of forgetting Organic Chemistry concepts shortly after the course, suggesting that the material may not be retained without regular use.
  • A third participant comments that Organic Chemistry serves as a winnowing tool in academia, implying that it is a challenging but necessary hurdle for ChemE students.
  • They also note that while OC is foundational for understanding chemical reactions, ChemE professionals primarily focus on creating environments for reactions rather than developing them.
  • A fourth participant relates to the original poster's struggles, indicating a general dislike for the OC class but a willingness to persevere.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the challenges posed by Organic Chemistry for ChemE majors, with some expressing that it is not central to their future work. However, there is no consensus on whether the difficulties in OC should lead to a reevaluation of one's major.

Contextual Notes

Some participants mention the transient nature of knowledge in Organic Chemistry and the varying degrees of relevance it holds within the Chemical Engineering field, indicating that individual experiences may differ significantly.

Who May Find This Useful

Chemical Engineering students, particularly those struggling with Organic Chemistry, may find this discussion relevant, as well as those interested in the relationship between coursework and professional practice in the field.

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I am a ChemE major, and I am currently in Organic Chemistry 2. I got through OC1 by the skin of my teeth, and I currently am sitting on a 60% in OC2. Do I need to re-evaluate my major? Do you guys have any tips on how to learn this stuff? I am acing all of the homework assignments, but when I get to the exam, it all looks like another language (probably because it is). I do all of the assigned problems, read the book, and I even bought OC2 for Dummies and OC as a Second Language. Things make sense, then I get to the exam. I really appreciate any help.
 
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Welcome to Physics Forums. When I had OC, I did pretty well, but 2 months afterwards, I had forgotten everything I learned. This is the kind of stuff that doesn't stay with you if you don't use it all the time, which is the case for most of us ChE's. I look back in my OC text that we used (Allen and Bacon), and the notes in the margins are in my handwriting, but I have no recollection of ever writing them. During my career, I did lots of physical chemistry, thermo, fluid mechanics, solid mechanics, and reactor engineering, but depended on chemists in our company to work out the qualitative details of the OC. So, don't give up on ChE just because of OC. If we ChE's all did that, there would be no ChEs.
 
Stick with it, I think academia uses OC as a winnowing tool.
Chestermiller is entirely right in his guidance, as a ChE you are not tasked with developing the reactions that take place in the installations, but to create and maintain the right environment for them to occur. That demands a broader range of skills.
Admittedly, OC is pretty much the basis for most of the ChE industry, so it is useful to have at least an idea of what is happening, but it is not the substance of ChE.
 
That is relieving to hear. I too am a ChemE major and dislike my OC class as well. I'm doing ok in it, but its not my cup of tea and I will be happier when its over.
 

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