Chemicals for rocket fuel and superchemicals?

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The discussion focuses on the best chemical mixes for solid and liquid rockets, highlighting that liquid hydrogen and oxygen are optimal but require cryogenic storage. The Space Shuttle Main Engines utilize a hydrogen-rich LH2/LOx mixture, while hydrogen and fluorine (H+F) offer higher specific impulse but are unsuitable for atmospheric use due to toxicity. It is noted that there are no liquid "superchemicals" that significantly outperform conventional propellants. For solid rockets, ammonium perchlorate is favored as an oxidizing agent, balancing energy density and explosiveness. The conversation also touches on electric propulsion, with references to ion propulsion technology, and mentions that specific impulse for bi-chemical liquid fuels can reach around 450 seconds, with the Space Shuttle achieving 453 seconds in a vacuum.
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I want to get a little into rocketry and i want to know what are the best chemical mixes for solid and liquid state rockets? also i wanted to know if there are such things as super chemicals. I am not sure if i made that up or not or it just a different word but, what i mean are chemicals that have been altered to have the ability to create a lot more thrust and/or specific impulse than regular chemicals.
 
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It's pretty hard to beat liquid hydrogen and oxygen as far as liquid propellants go, but they require cryogenic storage. The Space Shuttle Main Engines use a hydrogen-rich LH2/LOx mixture. A more energetic reaction with higher specific impulse would be H+F (hydrogen + fluorine), but that would be unsuitable in the atmosphere since HF is extremely corrosion and toxic to living things.

There are no liquid superchemicals.

As far as solids go, there is a delicate balance of energy density and explosiveness. Perchlorates are the preferred oxidizing agent, and ammonium perchlorate is commonly used.

See - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle_Solid_Rocket_Booster#Propellant

http://www.esa.int/esaMI/Launchers_Access_to_Space/ASEDYQI4HNC_0.html
 
hmm that's interesting what the specific impulse for that mixture just wondering? also I am not sure if there is or not but are there any ways to make electric propulsion that you know of? or anyone else if they read this?
 
Fuels in general contain more energy the greater their mass. For ex. Diesel vs petrol.
In this case the use of kerosene and LOX is the simplest. There are other oxidisers available, for ex. hydrogen peroxide.
Goddard used gasoline and LOX. Russians and Chinese have used kero and LOX as did the Saturn V.
 
BigFly said:
hmm that's interesting what the specific impulse for that mixture just wondering? also I am not sure if there is or not but are there any ways to make electric propulsion that you know of? or anyone else if they read this?


http://nmp.nasa.gov/ds1/tech/ionpropfaq.html" is the only way that I know of other than an electric powered prop or turbine.
 
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Specific impulse for bi-chemical liquid fuels is around 450s.

specific impulse measured in time is 453 seconds, or, equivalently, an effective exhaust velocity of 4500 m/s, for the Space Shuttle Main Engines when operating in vacuum.
 
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