Chemistry-acid base equilibria

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The discussion revolves around the titration of p-hydroxybenzoic acid, a weak diprotic acid, with NaOH, focusing on calculating the acid dissociation constants Ka1 and Ka2, as well as determining the pH at various points during the titration. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and chemical equilibria related to acid-base titrations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant calculated the moles of H2A at the beginning of the titration using the volume and concentration of NaOH.
  • Another participant noted that HA- is an amphoteric species, which complicates the calculations.
  • One participant used an ICE table to find the concentration of [H3O+] and proposed a value for Ka1, but expressed uncertainty about its correctness.
  • A participant later confirmed their calculation for Ka1, providing a specific value derived from the concentrations at the halfway point to the first equivalence point.
  • Another participant reported finding Ka2 and provided a specific value for it.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants have not reached a consensus on the calculations for Ka2, and there is uncertainty regarding the methods used to derive the values for both Ka1 and Ka2.

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Some calculations depend on assumptions about concentrations and the behavior of the amphoteric species, which may not be fully resolved in the discussion.

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Students and educators interested in acid-base equilibria, titration techniques, and the mathematical aspects of chemical equilibria may find this discussion relevant.

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p-Hydroxybenzoic acid, HOC6H4COOH, is a weak diprotic acid. A 25.00 mL aliquot of a dilute solution of HOC6H4COOH is titrated with a 0.0200 M NaOH solution. The first equivalence point was reached after 16.24 mL of the NaOH solution was added.
a. If the values of the pH after 8.12 and 16.24 mL of base added were 4.57 and 7.02, respectively determine Ka1 and Ka2 for p-hydroxybenzoic acid.
b. Calculate the pH of the solution at the beginning of the titration.
c. Calculate the pH of the solution at the second equivalent point of the titration.
 
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What things have you tried so far?
 
Here's what I've tried- the moles of H2A at the beginning is .01624L times 0.0200M. You also need 32.48mL of base to reach 2nd equiv point. the part that trips me up is that HA-is an amphoteric species.
I used ICE with HA- + H20 -> A2- + H3O+, finding the conc. of [H3O+] as 10^-7.02 with .012992M as conc. of HA-. I ended up with 7.02 * 10 ^-13 as my answer for Ka1, but I don't think that's right. I also don't know what to do for Ka2.
 
i figured out how to get ka1, but I'm still having trouble with ka2.

how i got ka1-
use ICE with H2A + H2O -> HA- + H3O+, using the values for halfway to the first equivalence point.
Ka1=([HA-][H3O+]/[H2A])
[H2A]=[HA-]=.0049. (cancels out), leaving Ka1 = [H3O+] = 10^-4.57=2.69*10^-5.

Any tips for solving Ka2?
 
found ka2 to be 3.39*10^-10.
 

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