Christmas Tree Light: Investigating the Math Behind Its Curve

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the mathematical interpretation of the shape produced by fairy lights when viewed from different angles. Participants explore the relationship between the observed curves and the equations of conic sections, specifically circles and hyperbolas, while questioning the validity of certain mathematical substitutions and transformations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant observes that the shape of the light when viewed normally appears circular, while when placed flat, it resembles a hyperbola, prompting questions about the underlying mathematics.
  • Another participant suggests that the shape is a conic section resulting from the intersection of a cone with a plane.
  • A participant questions the relevance of substituting "iy" in the equation of a circle to derive the equation of a hyperbola, seeking justification for this transformation.
  • Further clarification is provided regarding the mathematical reasoning behind the transformation, with a participant explaining how substituting "iy" relates to rotating the axes and changing the view from a circle to a hyperbola.
  • Another participant introduces the equation of a cone and discusses how the intersection with a plane can yield either an ellipse or hyperbola, depending on specific angles, while expressing confusion about the role of "i" in this context.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the validity and significance of the mathematical transformations proposed, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing interpretations of the relationship between the shapes and their mathematical descriptions.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the reasoning presented, particularly regarding the assumptions made about the use of "i" as a 90-degree operator and the implications of the transformations on the observed shapes. The discussion also highlights dependencies on specific definitions and mathematical interpretations that remain unaddressed.

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Forgive the sloppy use of math and inability to produce an image. I noticed this last christmas.

If you have a fairy light ( or perhaps any LED etc), and shine it normal to a surface, you see a circle. If you place the light flat on the surface you see a curve - to me the fairy lights' curve looks like a hyperbola.

Does this have any relation to the equation of a circle:
x^2+y^2=const.
And Hyperbola:
x^2-y^2=const.
And subsitution for 90 degrees rotation? :
y\rightarrow iy

If so, how does this even work? The experiment is all in real space. If not, is this just sloppy use of math? Any significance?

Thanks
 
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Hi Livethefire! :smile:

If the light comes out in a cone,

then the shape will be the intersection of a cone with a plane …

in other words, a conic section :wink:
 
Ah yes!

But is there any relevance or justified motivation to present such a thing by substituting "iy" in a circular equation?
 
not following you :confused:
 
What I was saying in post #1 was to sub iy for y in the first equation you get the second. In other words, rotating the axis 90 degrees changes the view from a circle to a hyperbola.

Sometimes i is used as a 90 degree operator, yet I think my reasoning is unsound, thus i am asking here for insight.
 
if the cone has semiangle λ along the z-axis, then its equation is

z2 = (x2 + y2)tan2λ,

so a plane z = xtanθ + c cuts it at x2(tan2λ - tan2θ) - 2cxtanθ + y2tan2λ = c2,

which is an ellipse or hyperbola according to whether λ is greater or less than θ

(but i don't see where i comes into it)
 

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