CIRCUIT ANALYSIS: 2 resistors, Indep. Current Source, V.C.C.S - find v0

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around analyzing a circuit with two resistors, an independent current source, and a voltage-controlled current source (V.C.C.S). Participants are attempting to find the voltage \( v_0 \) across the V.C.C.S and the power dissipated by it, using techniques such as Kirchhoff's Current Law (KCL) and power equations.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant calculates \( v_0 \) using KCL and derives \( v_0 = -\frac{40}{7} \, V \), questioning if they are on the right track.
  • Another participant points out that the wording regarding power dissipation by the controlled source is unclear, emphasizing the need for efficiency to determine actual power dissipation.
  • Subsequent calculations of current and power by participants lead to varying results, with one calculating power as \( p = \frac{400}{49} \, W \) and another suggesting it should be \( 32.7 \, W \).
  • There is confusion regarding the contributions of the controlled source versus the resistors, with participants debating how to account for both in power calculations.
  • Participants discuss the voltage across the V.C.C.S and its relationship to the current through the resistors, leading to differing interpretations of how to calculate power dissipated by the controlled source.
  • One participant asserts that the power dissipated by the controlled source should be calculated using \( P = VI \) with the correct voltage and current values, while others express confusion about the calculations involved.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct approach to calculating the power dissipated by the controlled source, with multiple competing views and calculations presented throughout the discussion. There is also uncertainty regarding the contributions of different sources to the overall power in the circuit.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the efficiency of the power supply and the definitions of power dissipation in relation to the controlled source and resistors. The calculations presented depend on the interpretation of current contributions and voltage drops across components.

  • #31
almost

V_4ohm + V_6ohm = V_C.S(10amp) = V_V.C.C.S

Ok so I'm not good with the fancy looking formulas. lol. if you can solve for one of these...you know the other two as well
 
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  • #32
Okay, let's take it from the start. :)

VinnyCee said:
Anyways, you are saying that the P_{VCCS}\,=\,163.4\,W is correct?

Let's just start from the beginning!

i\,=\,2\,v_0\,+\,10\,A

Right?

v_o\,=\,i\,R

v_o\,=\,\left(2\,v_0\,+\,10\right)\,(4\Omega)

Right?

v_0\,=\,8\,v_0\,+\,40

So...

v_0\,=\,-\frac{40}{7}\,V

Right?

Yes.

VinnyCee said:
I need to find the power dissipated by the controlled source. P_{VCCS}\,=\,?

So, I need to use the EQs P\,=\,v\,i or P\,=\,\frac{v^2}{R}, right?

Yes, you use P = VI. But no, you can't use P = V^2/R since there is no R for the VCCS. To find P (VCCS), obtain the V and I across the VCCS, and then combine these terms as a product. Please note that you can never use P = V^2/R or P = RI^2 to calculate the power supplied/dissipated by a source, never ever.

VinnyCee said:
The i should only be for the contribution by the VCCS. So, i_{VCCS}\,=\,2\,V_0, right?

Okay... so we now know the I across the VCCS.

VinnyCee said:
Now what do I do, assuming the above is all right?

P\,=\,I\,V\,=\,I_{VCCS}\,V_{VCCS}

We know the I (VCCS) but what about the V (VCCS)?

VinnyCee said:
I_{VCCS}\,=\,2\,V_0\,=\,2\,\left(-\frac{40}{7}\right)\,=\,-\frac{80}{7}\,\approx\,-11.43\,A

Does this seem right?

Yes, I (VCCS) = -11.43A is correct. But again, what about the V (VCCS)?
 
  • #33
lol - so we have this

V_{4\Omega}\,=\,V_0\,=\,-\frac{40}{7}

and

\left(-\frac{40}{7}\right)\,+\,V_{6\Omega}\,=\,V_{V.C.C.S.}\,=\,V_{10\,A}

V_{V.C.C.S.}\,=\,V_{6\Omega}\,-\,\frac{40}{7}

How do I get V_{6\Omega} though?
 
  • #34
you get the voltage across the 6 ohm resistor with non other than ohm's law:

V_6 = I_6 R_6
 
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  • #35
Cool!

i\,=\,2\,V_0\,+\,10\,=\,2\,\left(-\frac{40}{7}\right)\,+\,10\,=\,-\frac{10}{7}\,\approx\,-1.43\,A

V_{6\Omega}\,=\,(-1.43\,A)\,(6\Omega)\,=\,-8.57\,V

P_{V.C.C.S.}\,=\,I_{V.C.C.S.}\,V_{V.C.C.S.}\,=\,(-11.43\,A)\,(-8.57\,V)\,=\,97.96\,W

doodle said:
What you did earlier in Post 22 is correct, at least as far as P (VCCS) = 163.4W is correct.

But I thought that P_{V.C.C.S}\,=\,163.4\,W ?
 
  • #36
the problem is you set V6 = V of the V.C.C.S. remember it's both resistors combined

I updated that diagram to hopefully make it more obvious
 
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  • #37
V_{V.C.C.S.}\,=\,V_{6\Omega}\,+\,V_{4\Omega}\,=\,(-8.57\,V)\,+\,(-5.71\,V)\,=\,-14.28\,V

P_{V.C.C.S.}\,=\,V_{V.C.C.S.}\,I_{V.C.C.S.}\,=\,(-14.28\,V)\,(-11.43\,A)\,=\,163.2\,W

Finally!
 
  • #38
Good job. Practice with these circuits and you'll be able to do them in your sleep in no time
 

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