Circuit Problem electrical engineering

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a circuit problem in electrical engineering, specifically focusing on the equivalent resistance calculations involving resistances in series and parallel configurations. Participants explore the implications of given resistance values and attempt to derive the total resistance.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the meaning of R(AB) and R(L), questioning whether R(AB) represents the total resistance from points A to B.
  • Another participant clarifies that R(AB) is the equivalent resistance of the entire network as seen from terminals A and B.
  • A different participant proposes a value of approximately 174 ohms for R, suggesting it leads to a total resistance of 301 ohms.
  • Further elaboration includes a detailed mathematical approach to derive the equivalent resistance, involving the combination of series and parallel resistances.
  • One participant calculates a value of approximately 231 ohms for R, but notes that substituting this value results in a different equivalent resistance of about 390 ohms for R(AB).
  • Another participant confirms that using 174 ohms for R yields the correct total resistance of 301 ohms for R(AB).

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the value of R, with differing calculations leading to different equivalent resistances. Some participants support the value of 174 ohms, while others suggest 231 ohms, indicating ongoing uncertainty and disagreement regarding the correct approach and calculations.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes complex mathematical steps that remain unresolved, and participants express varying assumptions about the circuit configuration and resistance values. The implications of these assumptions on the final calculations are not fully clarified.

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Homework Statement



Here's the question:
http://puu.sh/171ls

The Attempt at a Solution



I have no idea where to begin. It says R(AB) = R(L) = 301 ohms. What does that mean? Does R(AB) mean the resistance from A to B? Is that the total resistance? The total resistance is equal to 301 ohms which is also equal to R(L)? I don't know. Any help would be appreciated.
 
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izelkay said:

Homework Statement



Here's the question:
http://puu.sh/171ls


The Attempt at a Solution



I have no idea where to begin. It says R(AB) = R(L) = 301 ohms. What does that mean? Does R(AB) mean the resistance from A to B? Is that the total resistance? The total resistance is equal to 301 ohms which is also equal to R(L)? I don't know. Any help would be appreciated.

Yes, RAB is the equivalent resistance of the entire network as "seen" from the terminals AB.
 
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Ok, I think I got it. R should equal roughly 174 ohms.
 
Looks good :smile:
 
Hi! Note that the circuit can be drawn as a resistance R in series with the parallel combination of: (a) a resistance of R and (b) a series combination of the resistances R and R(L).

Then, the circuit can be drawn as a resistance of R in series with the parallel combination of R and (R + R(L)).

First, determine the equivalent resistance of the parallel portion of the circuit, R and R + R(L).

[tex]\frac{1}{R(Parallel)} = \frac{1}{R + R(L)} + \frac{1}{R}[/tex]
[tex]\Rightarrow R(Parallel) = \frac{1}{\frac{1}{R + R(L)} + \frac{1}{R}}[/tex]

Multiply the numerator and denominator of the right side of the equation by [itex]\frac{R(R + R(L))}{R(R + R(L))}[/itex] to get the following:

[tex]R(Parallel) = \frac{R(R + R(L))}{R + R + R(L)} = \frac{R^2 + R(L)}{2R + R(L)}[/tex]

You are then told that R(AB) must equal R(L). This becomes the following:

[tex]R + \frac{R^2 + R(L)}{2R + R(L)} = R(L)[/tex]

Then, multiply both sides of the equation by (2R + R(L)) to get the following:

[tex]R(2R + R(L)) + R^2 + R(L) = (2R + R(L))R(L) = 2RR(L) + (R(L))^2[/tex]
[tex]\Rightarrow 2R^2 + RR(L) + R^2 + R(L) = 2RR(L) + (R(L))^2[/tex]
[tex]\Rightarrow 3R^2 - RR(L) + R(L) - (R(L))^2 = 0[/tex]
[tex]\Rightarrow 3R^2 - 301R + (301) - (301)^2 = 0[/tex]
[tex]\Rightarrow 3R^2 -301R + 301 - 90601 = 0[/tex]
[tex]\Rightarrow 3R^2 - 301R - 90300 = 0[/tex]

Applying the quadratic equation (I'll leave the details up to you) yields the following:

[tex]R = 230.7675926 ohms ≈ 231 ohms[/tex]

You will want to double check my result; but I think that I did everything okay.
 
^If I plug 231 in for R, Rab comes out to be about 390 ohms.

174 for R gives me 301 ohms for Rab though.
 

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