Circuits and Direction of Magnetic Field

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The discussion revolves around a circuit problem involving the direction of magnetic fields and compass needle deflections when current flows through a wire. Participants are examining the behavior of two compasses in relation to the current's direction and the magnetic field produced by the wire.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are exploring the relationship between the current direction and the resulting compass deflections. There is a focus on understanding how the magnetic field interacts with the compasses and questioning the implications of the right-hand rule. Some participants are attempting to clarify the wording of the problem statements and their implications for compass behavior.

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The discussion is active, with participants sharing their interpretations of the problem and questioning the clarity of the statements provided. Some guidance has been offered regarding the expected behavior of the compasses based on the magnetic field direction, but there is no consensus on the correctness of specific statements or the overall clarity of the question.

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There are indications that the original problem may contain misprints or unclear wording, which is contributing to the confusion among participants. The assumptions about the magnetic field strength and the compass orientations are also under scrutiny.

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Homework Statement



Consider the portion of a circuit shown in the figure. When no current is running, both compasses point north (direction shown by the pale arrows). When current runs in the circuit, the needle of compass 1 deflects as shown. The wire is on top of the compass.

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Which statements are true about the direction of the needle of compass 2?

1. It will deflect the same amount as compass 1.
2. It will switch direction and point towards the lower left.
3. It will point upward just as much as compass 1.
4. It will switch direction and point towards the upper left.
5. It will deflect less than compass 1 since the current has been used up.
6. It will not deflect at all.Which direction does the current flow?

1. counterclockwise
2. clockwise

Homework Equations



Right-Hand Rule I guess.

The Attempt at a Solution



I successfully got the second part of the question (direction of current) to be counterclockwise.

The hiccup I am having is with the first part. So far I've tried:
1 & 4
1, 3 & 4
4 & 5
3, 4 &5

All of them are wrong, but I guess this is more of a conceptual question. Would the needle deflect less cause the current is used up more? At first I thought no, because in my head a current can't be used up, but I may be wrong. And what does "It will point upward just as much as compass" even mean?

Thanks in advance!

*edit* added compass number for clarity
 
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I think there is a misprint in this question.
Firsly, I think the statements should read "as much as compass 1".

As the current is in the opposite direction (L to R)over compass two, it will be deflected upwards. The magnetic field is in the shape of concentric circles around the wire.
The result will be that it points towards the upper right right.
If all other things are equal (distance of compass from wire, strength of compass needle magnet) then the amount of deflection of compass 2 upwards will be equal to the amount of deflection of compass 1 downwards. This is because the current will be the same in all parts of the wire.

As for which answers are correct - my opinion is that either this is a very poor question, or there are parts missing from the statements, or both.
I'm guessing they intend 3 to be correct, though it should read "It will deflect upwards as much as compass 1 deflects downwards"
They may also want you to say statement 1 is correct. The amount of deflection of 1 is equal to the amount of deflection of 2. But as they are in different directions, one could argue that the actual angle of deflection is not the same. One is, say +20 degrees and the other -20 degrees. One is due west and the other due east.
2,4,5 and 6 are all wrong, by the way.

My view is that whoever wrote this question, assuming it is printed here as it was written, needs either a refresher course in pedagogics or a decent word processor.
 
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I completely agree with you.

I am a bit confused on the direction part though. (why 4 is wrong). If we consider the right hand rule, the magnetic field due to the wire at compass 2 would be in the opposite direction as that of compass 1 correct? Now, if we factor in that the magnetic field strength only caused a deflection of ~20 degrees to compass 1 to the top right, wouldn't a magnetic field in the opposite direction cause a ~20 degree shift to the top left(4)?

Or is my orientation completely messed up in terms of the top-left/top-right aspect?
 
The compass needles will always want to point north - to the right in the diagram.
I assume this is just due to the Earth's field and it's what compass needles usually due when left alone.
To this force is added the component due to the current in the wire.
In one case this is due east, and the other due west.
The largest possible deflection for the needles would be fully due East or fully due West. This would be the case where the field due to the wire was very much stronger than the Earth's field.
In order for the needles to "flip" and point to the left, the Earth's field would have to reverse and also point to the left. (Due south)
 

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