Circular Motion in a Simple Mass Spectrometer

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In a simple mass spectrometer, positive ions are accelerated through a potential difference ΔV before entering a magnetic field B. The magnetic force acting on the ions is described by the equation Fmag = qvB, where q is the charge and v is the velocity of the ions. To find the magnetic field's magnitude, the relationship between kinetic energy and electric potential energy is utilized, leading to the equation mv^2 = 2qΔV. The velocity can be expressed in terms of ΔV and the mass of the ion, allowing for the calculation of B as B = 2Mv/dq. The discussion highlights the challenge of determining the magnetic field without knowing the velocity, emphasizing the need for additional information about the electric field and plate separation.
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In the simple mass spectrometer shown in the figure below, positive ions are generated in the ion source. They are released, traveling at very low speed, into the region between two accelerating plates between which there is a potential difference ΔV. In the shaded region there is a uniform magnetic field B
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; outside this region there is negligible magnetic field. The semicircle traces the path of one singly charged positive ion of mass M, which travels through the accelerating plates into the magnetic field region, and hits the ion detector as shown.

Determine the appropriate magnitude and direction of the magnetic field B
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, in terms of the known quantities shown in the figure below (in addition to M and q, where q is the charge on an ion).

Magnitude B = ?
direction = ?

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Homework Equations


Fmag = dp/dtmag = qvB
dp/dtmag = p(v/R) = p(omega), p = ymv
omega = q_mag * b / (ym)

The Attempt at a Solution


deltaV (I don't know what to do with electrical potential)
M (mass)
q (charge)
d/2 = R (radius)
v << c, y = 1, p = mv (approximation)

Fmag = dp/dtmag
qvB = p(v/R)
qvB = p(v/(d/2))
qB = p/(d/2))
B = p/(d/2))/q
B = 2p/dq, p = mv (approx.)
B = 2Mv/dq

This is wrong, probably because I'm not given velocity. However, I don't know how to get magnetic field without velocity? I think the problem is I don't know what to do with electric potential.
 
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Your ion with charge q is accelerating through the ΔV between the plates. Look for an equation relating the energy acquired by an electric charge accelerating through a potential difference.
 
1/2 mv^2 = q deltaV

This kinetic energy equation?

mv^2 = 2q deltaV
v^2 = 2q deltaV / m
v = sqr rt (2q delta V / m)
 
deltaV = Ed

But I'm missing both E and d? d is the separation between the plates but the variable d in the image seems to be a length.
 
Oribe Yasuna said:
deltaV = Ed

But I'm missing both E and d? d is the separation between the plates but the variable d in the image seems to be a length.
There's another equation that involves the charge.
 
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