Circular Motion of ball tension

In summary: Plus, the tension in the two cords are the same, right? So shouldn't the answer be around 800 Newtons for each cord?In summary, for a 1.75 kg ball suspended by two cords and whirled in a circle of radius 95 cm, with the ball making 10 revolutions in 2 seconds, the tension in each of the two cords is approximately 800 Newtons.
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Nytrox
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Homework Statement


In the device shown below, a 1.75 kg ball suspended by two cords is whirled around in a circle of radius 95 cm. The ball makes 10 revolutions in 2 seconds. Find the tension in each of the two cords (remember: the tension in each cord acts toward the pole).
https://www.physicsforums.com/attachments/29633
Well...the attachment isn't quite working...so I'll attempt to draw the picture...

|..\ <--This angle 30 degrees
|...\ <--Cord 1
|...\
|...O <- Ball.....Radius from ball to pole = .95 meters (95 cm)
|.../......Angle of cords are both 30 degrees from the pole.
|.../ <--Cord 2.....Mass of ball is 1.75 kg
|.../
|.../ <--This angle 30 degrees
|./
^
Pole


Homework Equations


Fc = mV^2/r
Vt=2pi r/T
Fg=mg
F=ma
Ftx=Ftsin theta
Fty=Ftcos theta


The Attempt at a Solution



r=.95m
T=.2 seconds

Fty1-Fty2=Fg
Ft1cos30 - Ft2cos210 = 1.75kg x 9.8 m/s^2
Ft1+Ft2=19.8

Ftx1+Ftx2=Fc
Ft1sin30 + Ft2sin210 = m((2 pi r)/T)^2 / r
.5Ft1 - .5Ft2 = 1.75kg x (29.85 m/s)^2 / .95m
.5Ft1 - .5Ft2 = 1640.82N
Ft1 - Ft2 = 3281.64N

Ft1 = 19.8 - Ft2
19.8 - 2Ft2 = 3281.64N
Ft2 = -1630.92N
Ft1 = 1650.72N

I'm not sure if what I did is completely right. Please help. Thanks!
 
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  • #2
Nytrox said:
Fty1-Fty2=Fg
Ft1cos30 - Ft2cos210 = 1.75kg x 9.8 m/s^2
Ft1+Ft2=19.8
Right there...
That's not right. First of all, you get a negative quantity when you cos210, but that does't mean that you add the two components. You ended up doing a double negative there. Fty1 pulls up so it's positive, Fty2 pulls down so it's negative.

You did the same thing in the next part. Both horizontal components are pulling in the same direction, so they should add together to become the net centripetal force here.
 
  • #3
Nytrox said:

Homework Statement


In the device shown below, a 1.75 kg ball suspended by two cords is whirled around in a circle of radius 95 cm. The ball makes 10 revolutions in 2 seconds. Find the tension in each of the two cords (remember: the tension in each cord acts toward the pole).
https://www.physicsforums.com/attachments/29633
Well...the attachment isn't quite working...so I'll attempt to draw the picture...

|..\ <--This angle 30 degrees
|...\ <--Cord 1
|...\
|...O <- Ball.....Radius from ball to pole = .95 meters (95 cm)
|.../......Angle of cords are both 30 degrees from the pole.
|.../ <--Cord 2.....Mass of ball is 1.75 kg
|.../
|.../ <--This angle 30 degrees
|./
^
Pole


Homework Equations


Fc = mV^2/r
Vt=2pi r/T
Fg=mg
F=ma
Ftx=Ftsin theta
Fty=Ftcos theta


The Attempt at a Solution



r=.95m
T=.2 seconds

Fty1-Fty2=Fg
Ft1cos30 - Ft2cos210 = 1.75kg x 9.8 m/s^2
Ft1+Ft2=19.8
You have a signage error. That last term should be -Ft2cos30
Ftx1+Ftx2=Fc
Ft1sin30 + Ft2sin210 = m((2 pi r)/T)^2 / r
same error in signs...last term should be +F2sin30
.5Ft1 - .5Ft2 = 1.75kg x (29.85 m/s)^2 / .95m
.5Ft1 - .5Ft2 = 1640.82N
Ft1 - Ft2 = 3281.64N

Ft1 = 19.8 - Ft2
19.8 - 2Ft2 = 3281.64N
Ft2 = -1630.92N
Ft1 = 1650.72N

I'm not sure if what I did is completely right. Please help. Thanks!
you were on track, but slipped on the plus and minus signs. When determining vector components, it is often best to draw a sketch using right triangles to determine the trig relationships.
 
  • #4
ok. So it should be...

Fty1-Fty2=Fg
Ft1cos30 - Ft2cos30 = 1.75kg x 9.8 m/s^2
Ft1-Ft2=19.8

Ftx1+Ftx2=Fc
Ft1sin30 + Ft2sin30 = m((2 pi r)/T)^2 / r
.5Ft1 + .5Ft2 = 1.75kg x (29.85 m/s)^2 / .95m
.5Ft1 + .5Ft2 = 1640.82N
Ft1 + Ft2 = 3281.64N

Ft1 = 19.8 + Ft2
19.8 + 2Ft2 = 3281.64N
Ft2 = 1630.92N
Ft1 = 1650.72N

Is this the right answer? It seem unreasonably large...
 
  • #5
Nytrox said:
ok. So it should be...

Fty1-Fty2=Fg
Ft1cos30 - Ft2cos30 = 1.75kg x 9.8 m/s^2
Ft1-Ft2=19.8

Ftx1+Ftx2=Fc
Ft1sin30 + Ft2sin30 = m((2 pi r)/T)^2 / r
.5Ft1 + .5Ft2 = 1.75kg x (29.85 m/s)^2 / .95m
.5Ft1 + .5Ft2 = 1640.82N
Ft1 + Ft2 = 3281.64N

Ft1 = 19.8 + Ft2
19.8 + 2Ft2 = 3281.64N
Ft2 = 1630.92N
Ft1 = 1650.72N

Is this the right answer? It seem unreasonably large...

Does it?

1600 N, is that a lot? (It's the weight of how many people?)

30 m/s, is that fast? (how many mph is that?

This is a 4 lb object twirling in a 1 yard radius circle, at a pretty fast speed. How much force do you think is appropriate?
 
  • #6
well 30 m/s is around 67 miles per hour. That's really fast.
and 1600 Newtons is around 360 pounds of force
 

1. What is circular motion?

Circular motion is the movement of an object along a circular path around a central point or axis. It is characterized by a constant speed and a changing direction.

2. What is ball tension in circular motion?

Ball tension refers to the force that is acting on a ball moving in a circular path. It is caused by the tension in the string or surface that the ball is attached to, and it helps to keep the ball moving in a circular motion.

3. How does ball tension affect circular motion?

The ball tension plays a crucial role in circular motion as it provides the necessary centripetal force to keep the ball moving in a circular path. Without sufficient tension, the ball will move in a straight line instead of a curve.

4. What factors affect ball tension in circular motion?

The amount of ball tension in circular motion depends on several factors such as the mass of the ball, the speed of the ball, the radius of the circular path, and the force of gravity acting on the ball.

5. How is ball tension calculated in circular motion?

The ball tension can be calculated using the equation T = mv^2/r, where T is the tension, m is the mass of the ball, v is the velocity, and r is the radius of the circular path. This equation is derived from Newton's second law of motion, which states that the net force on an object is equal to its mass multiplied by its acceleration.

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