Classical Physics: Unsolved Problems and Solutions

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The discussion revolves around unsolved problems in classical physics, particularly whether these can be addressed without invoking concepts from other branches of physics, such as quantum mechanics. Participants explore various specific problems, including turbulence and the Navier-Stokes equations, and the nature of classical mechanics in relation to these challenges.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether unsolved problems in classical physics can be resolved solely through classical mechanics without quantum mechanical considerations.
  • Others suggest that the ability to solve these problems may depend on the specific problem being addressed.
  • One participant mentions that turbulence is a significant unsolved problem, highlighting the complexity involved in applying the Navier-Stokes equations.
  • Another participant notes that viscosity, a factor in fluid dynamics, is influenced by atomic interactions that are fundamentally quantum mechanical, raising questions about the purity of classical approaches.
  • A participant references a talk by Moser regarding classical mechanics proofs related to particle separation, indicating that there are still open questions in this area.
  • Some participants list additional unsolved problems, such as wetting, the glass transition, and nonequilibrium thermodynamics, suggesting that these also relate to classical mechanics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether unsolved problems can be addressed purely through classical mechanics, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain without consensus.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge that many classical problems may also have implications in quantum contexts, and the definitions of "classical" versus "quantum" may vary based on the specific phenomena being discussed.

ricky33
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We know that unsolved problems still exist in classical physics and scientists still make reasearches , can the scientists solve those problems without using other physics branches like quantum mechanics .. ? Can they solve these problems only with a full understanding of classical mechanics ?
 
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I suspect it depends on the problem. Do you have a specific problem you were referring to?
 
phyzguy said:
I suspect it depends on the problem. Do you have a specific problem you were referring to?
The problem is not with me it's with scientists they have many unsolved probkems in classical physics like turbulence
 
What do you think the issue is in "solving" the problem of turbulence?
 
It depends on how you look at it. I think may aspects of turbulence can be studied with the classical equations of fluid mechanics, the Navier-Stokes equations. However, things like viscosity which are described in the equations depend on the interaction between the atoms of the fluid, which are inherently quantum mechanical. So if I study turbulence by running simulations of the Navier-Stokes equations, is this "purely classical"?
 
I once heard a talk by Moser (best known for the Kolmogorov-Arnold-Moser theorem) on theorems about how many particles are necessary that classical particles separate to infinity in finite time. The proofs only involved classical mechanics, yet there were still many open questions.
 
Chestermiller said:
What do you think the issue is in "solving" the problem of turbulence?
As an engineer you won't believe it, but mathematicians are still struggling to show that the Navier-Stokes equations have solutions at all.
 
Chestermiller said:
What do you think the issue is in "solving" the problem of turbulence?
Search about the turbulence problem its unsolved till now
 
DrDu said:
I once heard a talk by Moser (best known for the Kolmogorov-Arnold-Moser theorem) on theorems about how many particles are necessary that classical particles separate to infinity in finite time. The proofs only involved classical mechanics, yet there were still many open questions.
So we have unsolved problems that can be solved with only classical mechanics ? Do you know any ?
 
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ricky33 said:
So we have unsolved problems that can be solved with only classical mechanics ? Do you know any ?

I don't know what you mean by *only* classical mechanics- presumably you mean something like "macroscopic, room-temperature, slow processes"? Just be aware that many of these problems also occur in microscopic, low-temperature, rapidly changing systems as well.

There's a bunch besides those already mentioned: wetting (contact line motion), the glass transition (dynamic heterogeneity), and nonequilibrium thermodynamics (for example, the dynamics of soft matter) complete my favorite 5.
 

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