Coefficient Kenetic Friction and Kenetic Force

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The discussion revolves around calculating the coefficient of kinetic friction for a box sliding down a ramp. The box has a mass of 75 kg and is on a 25-degree incline with an acceleration of 3.6 m/s². Participants are exploring the relationships between forces acting on the box, including gravitational force, normal force, and frictional force.

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  • Participants discuss the need to resolve forces acting on the box, including weight components and the normal force. There are questions about the correct calculation of normal force and frictional force, as well as the relationship between these forces and the acceleration of the box. Some participants express confusion over the steps needed to derive the coefficient of kinetic friction.

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Several participants have provided insights into the free body diagram approach and the breakdown of forces. There is an ongoing exploration of how to correctly apply Newton's laws and the definitions of the forces involved. While some guidance has been offered, there is no explicit consensus on the correct method or final answer yet.

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Participants are working under the constraints of a homework assignment, which may limit the information they can share or the methods they can use. There is also a mention of a separate problem involving a sled, indicating a broader context of kinetic friction discussions.

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Hey, can you guys help me out with this...

A 75 kg box slides down a 25 degree ramp with an acceleration of 3.6 m/s^2 ...what is the coefficient of kenetic friction?

I know how to do the basic equation problems from what our teacher told us, but I don't know how to manipulate the equations here to find Fk (kenetic force).

Also just double checking, does Fn (normal force) = (75)x(3.6)?

Can someone please confirm and point me in the right direction?
 
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BluE said:
A 75 kg box slides down a 25 degree ramp with an acceleration of 3.6 m/s^2 ...what is the coefficient of kenetic friction?

Kinetic friction is given by=> Coefficient of kinetic friction X Normal force. To find the coefficient. You need to first know wat's the friction on the box sliding down the ramp and the normal force.

BluE said:
Also just double checking, does Fn (normal force) = (75)x(3.6)?

Nope. Draw out the free body diagram of the box first. Draw out the forces acting on the block.

Mainly there is the weight of the box acting perpendicular downwards and the friction which is in oposite direction to the direction of the motion.

Next draw out the vertical and horizontal components of the weight. The vertical component will be equals to ur normal force, according to ur Newton's 3rd law. Hence, normal force is given by=>Weight of the box X cos 25.

To find frctional force, take the horizontal component of the force minus the force causing the acceleration of the box down the ramp. Note, the horizontal component of the force will be given by (Weight of box X Sin 25) and the acceleration of the box will be given by (F=ma). After finding frictional force, you can hence use the above eqn to find kinetic friction.
 
I used free body diagram and based on numbers that we have, I didn't get the right answer for the coefficient of kenetic friction (mu k), which should become 0.061. I can't figure out how to get to here.. it's so frusterating.. please help clearify the steps.
 
The weight of an object is due to gravity pulling on its mass m, producing an acceleration g, so weight W = mg.

The box on the incline is being pulled downward (vertically) by gravity, but it is contrained by the ramp, so is must slide down the ramp.

The weight vector is at an angle with respect to the ramp, so one must resolve the weight into the normal force applied on the ramp and the component which is parallel to the ramp. Opposing the gravitational force pulling the box down the ramp is friction, which is proportional to the normal force by the kinetic friction factor.

Please refer to these -

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/frict.html

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/N2st.html
 
Alright, to make it simple, the steps you need to go through is this..
1) Find kinetic friction.(mgsin(theta)-ma)
2) Find normal force. given by( mg cos(theta))
3) By using the formula for kinetic friction( kinetic friction=coefficient of friction X normal force), You should be able to find the coefficient.

Yes. The answer you should get is 0.061.
 
Ok, I am confused about how to derive the normal force (mgcos(25)) and frictional force
 
Refer to post #2, draw out the free body diagram and break up the components of the weight. The horizontal component of the weight is the kinetic friction and the vertical component of the weight is the normal force.
 
Why do you subtract ma when calculating frictional force?
 
The horizontal component of the weight actually gives the value of the box when there is no frictional force. Note that ma= horizontal component of the weight-frictional force. Therefore, frictional force=horizontal component of weight-ma.

Note that ma is ur resultant force on ur box. The force minus friction.
 
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hi guys.. could you please answer this?A 20 kilogram sled is being pulled across a horizontal surface at a constant velocity. The pulling force has a magnitude of 80 Newton and is directed at an angle of 30degrees above the horizontal. Determine the coeffecient of kinetic friction...
please i badly need your help as soon as possible.. thanks
 
  • #11
Where's ur own working.? A little clue to get u started.. draw a free body diagram of the sled.
 
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