Colliding Binary Star (GPE Problem)

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The discussion centers on solving a gravitational potential energy (GPE) problem involving two identical stars, each with a mass of 2 x 1029 kg and a radius of 7 x 108 m, initially separated by a distance of 1.5 x 1011 m. The correct approach to find their speed just before collision, when their centers are 2R apart, involves applying conservation of energy principles accurately. The error identified was the overcounting of gravitational potential energy, which should not be doubled in calculations. The correct final speed of the stars is 9.7 x 104 m/s.

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  • Understanding of gravitational potential energy (GPE) and kinetic energy (KE) equations.
  • Familiarity with the law of conservation of energy in physics.
  • Knowledge of gravitational constant (G) and its application in calculations.
  • Basic algebra skills for solving equations involving energy conservation.
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  • Review the concept of gravitational potential energy and its formula: GPE = -G*m1*m2/r.
  • Study the conservation of mechanical energy in gravitational systems.
  • Practice similar problems involving two-body gravitational interactions and energy conservation.
  • Explore the implications of setting reference points for potential energy in physics problems.
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I was looking over my old physics course problems, and I can't figure out how I'm doing this one wrong.

Homework Statement


Two identical stars, each having mass and radius M=2*10^29 kg and R = 7 *10^8 m are initially at rest in outer space. Their initial separation (between centers) is the same as the distance between our sun and the earth, D = 1.5*10^11 m. Their gravitational interaction causes the stars to be pulled toward one another. Find the speed of the stars just before they collide, i.e. when their centers are a distance 2R apart.

Homework Equations


GPE = \frac{- G m_1 m_2}{r}
KE = \frac{m v^2}{2}

The Attempt at a Solution


I tried just doing conservation of energy, i.e.

GPE + GPE = GPE + GPE + KE + KE, or more explicitly:
\frac{-G M^2}{D} + \frac{-G M^2}{D} = \frac{-G M^2}{2R} + \frac{-G M^2}{2R} + \frac{1}{2} M v^2 + \frac{1}{2} M v^2

However solving this does NOT get the right answer, which is 9.7*10^4 m/s.

Can anyone point out what I'm doing wrong? I can't find the flaw in my logic... Does it have to do with where I'm setting zero potential energy? I tried accounting for this by doing the problem another way:
\Delta GPE = \Delta KE
But that seems to be equivalent to what I did above.
 
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macaholic said:
I was looking over my old physics course problems, and I can't figure out how I'm doing this one wrong.

Homework Statement


Two identical stars, each having mass and radius M=2*10^29 kg and R = 7 *10^8 m are initially at rest in outer space. Their initial separation (between centers) is the same as the distance between our sun and the earth, D = 1.5*10^11 m. Their gravitational interaction causes the stars to be pulled toward one another. Find the speed of the stars just before they collide, i.e. when their centers are a distance 2R apart.

Homework Equations


GPE = \frac{- G m_1 m_2}{r}
KE = \frac{m v^2}{2}

The Attempt at a Solution


I tried just doing conservation of energy, i.e.

GPE + GPE = GPE + GPE + KE + KE, or more explicitly:
\frac{-G M^2}{D} + \frac{-G M^2}{D} = \frac{-G M^2}{2R} + \frac{-G M^2}{2R} + \frac{1}{2} M v^2 + \frac{1}{2} M v^2

However solving this does NOT get the right answer, which is 9.7*10^4 m/s.

Can anyone point out what I'm doing wrong? I can't find the flaw in my logic... Does it have to do with where I'm setting zero potential energy? I tried accounting for this by doing the problem another way:
\Delta GPE = \Delta KE
But that seems to be equivalent to what I did above.

You are overcounting the potential energy. The gravitational potential energy of two masses of mass m separated by a distance r is -G*m*m/r. It's not twice that. You are counting the same thing twice.
 
*facepalm*. Thank you! I feel very silly now.
 

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