Collision with 3 particles and inelastic string

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The problem involves three identical balls on a smooth horizontal surface, where the third ball moves towards the second ball, which is stationary, while both are connected by an inelastic string. The scenario requires finding the post-impact velocities and impulsive tension after a collision occurs at a specified angle.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to apply principles of elastic collisions and conservation of energy but finds discrepancies with the provided options. Participants question the setup and the implications of the inelastic string on the motion of the balls, suggesting that ball 2 cannot simply adopt the velocity of ball 3 due to the force transmitted to ball 1.

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Participants are exploring various conservation laws, including angular momentum, linear momentum, and energy. There is a suggestion to set up a system of equations to account for the forces in the string and the dynamics of the collision. Multiple interpretations of the collision dynamics are being discussed, but no consensus has been reached on the correct approach.

Contextual Notes

There is an emphasis on the inelastic nature of the string and its role in the collision dynamics, as well as the need for additional equations to fully describe the system. The angle of impact and the relative positions of the balls are also under consideration.

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The problem :

3 identical balls lie on a smooth horizontal surface, the 3rd ball moving with a velocity v while the other 2 are stationary and inter-connected via a taut inelastic string. Ball 3 strikes ball 2 normally making angle = 30 degrees with the string. Energy is conserved. We need to find post-impact velocities and impulsive tension.

My attempt :

By the usual principle that elastic collisions between identical bodies exchange velocities, ball 3 should become stationary while ball 2 acquires V and a part of it gets canceled by tension which then acts on ball 1 and the final result is such that both balls 1 and 2 move with equal final velocities.

However this doesn't match the options given. What exactly am I doing wrong ?
 
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Do you have a sketch of the setup? Where is ball 1, relative to the collision of ball3/ball2?

Ball 1 and 2 could rotate around their common center of mass afterwards (together with a common movement), depending on the setup. In addition, ball 1 could be involved in the first collision, as the string is inelastic.
 
Crude ASCII art :

B1
...-
...-
...-
...-
...-
...-
B3->...B2

The angle B3B2B1 is 30 degrees, obviously. The string is represented by the "-"s.
 
Well in that case, B2 cannot move with the original velocity of B3 - it has to transmit a force to B1, therefore B2 will be slower.
You can set up an equation system with all conserved quantities as equations and solve that.
 
So conserving angular momentum, linear momentum, and energy should be enough, yeah ?
 
You need an additional equation to express that force in the string can act in the direction of the string only.
1 equation for angular momentum
2 equations for linear momentum
1 equation for energy
1 equation for the string
This leaves one degree of freedom, which corresponds to the impact point of B3. If they collide head-on, you can an additional equation for the direction of momentum transfer (here, it is identical with zero vertical velocity of B3 after the collision).
 

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