Combination of Mutually Exclusive and Independent events

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The discussion focuses on calculating the probability of at least one of three events A, B, and C occurring, given their relationships of independence and mutual exclusivity. The correct approach involves using the principle of inclusion/exclusion, which accounts for overlapping probabilities. Specifically, since B and C are mutually exclusive, their joint probability is zero, simplifying the calculations. The user initially struggled with the combination of independent and mutually exclusive events but recognized that the complement method could also be effective. Ultimately, the correct probability of at least one event occurring is confirmed to be 0.79.
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Homework Statement


This isn't actually a homework question, I'm reviewing for a midterm I have coming up this week and came across this question in some of the practice exercises that were provided.

Let A,B,C be three events. Suppose that A and B are independent, B and C are mutually exclusive, and that A and C are also independent. Given that P(A)=0.3, P(B)=0.4, P(C)=0.3 find the probability that at least one of the three events occur.


Homework Equations


For independent events / non-mutually exclusive P(A union B) = P(A) + P(B) - P(A intersect B)
P(A intersect B) = P(A)P(B)
for mutually exclusive events P(A union B) = P(A) + P(B)


The Attempt at a Solution



I know the correct answer is 0.79 (solutions provided) but I'm having trouble understanding how to approach the combination of independent / mutually exclusive events.

Is it easier to count the complement? ie:the event that none of the 3 occurs and subtract it from 1?

If I sum the probabilities of A and B and the probability of A AND C I get 0.79.
ie: 0.3 + 0.4 + 0.3(0.4), but is this the correct method?

Thank you in advance if you can help me understand this!
 
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lveenis said:

Homework Statement


This isn't actually a homework question, I'm reviewing for a midterm I have coming up this week and came across this question in some of the practice exercises that were provided.

Let A,B,C be three events. Suppose that A and B are independent, B and C are mutually exclusive, and that A and C are also independent. Given that P(A)=0.3, P(B)=0.4, P(C)=0.3 find the probability that at least one of the three events occur.


Homework Equations


For independent events / non-mutually exclusive P(A union B) = P(A) + P(B) - P(A intersect B)
P(A intersect B) = P(A)P(B)
for mutually exclusive events P(A union B) = P(A) + P(B)


The Attempt at a Solution



I know the correct answer is 0.79 (solutions provided) but I'm having trouble understanding how to approach the combination of independent / mutually exclusive events.

Is it easier to count the complement? ie:the event that none of the 3 occurs and subtract it from 1?

If I sum the probabilities of A and B and the probability of A AND C I get 0.79.
ie: 0.3 + 0.4 + 0.3(0.4), but is this the correct method?

Thank you in advance if you can help me understand this!

Have you not seen the principle of inclusion/exclusion? For A and B it says P(A or B) = P(A) + P(B) - P(AB), where I am using AB to stand for "A and B". Do you see why it has to hold? Draw a Venn diagram to convince yourself, but the basic idea is that P(AB) is part of both P(A) and P(B), so when we add these two we are counting P(AB) twice. Therefore, we need to subtract it once in order to not double-count. The principle generalizes to any number of events. In particular, P(A or B or C) = P(A) + P(B) + P(C) - P(AB) - P(AC) - P(BC) + P(ABC).

RGV
 
Hi RGV,

Thanks for the help!
For some reason I had myself convinced that because B and C are mutually exclusive this property wouldn't hold. I see now that it just means P(BC)=0 and P(ABC)=0 since B and C can never happen simultaneously.

Again thank you, this helped a lot

Luuk V.
 
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