Complete by taking an arbitrary cauchy sequence

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The discussion revolves around proving the completeness of the space \(\ell_\infty\) and examining the subspace \(Y\) of sequences with finitely many non-zero terms, specifically addressing whether \(Y\) is complete.

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  • Participants explore the concept of completeness by discussing Cauchy sequences and their limits. There is an attempt to identify a Cauchy sequence in \(Y\) that converges to a limit outside of \(Y\). Questions arise regarding the nature of sequences in \(Y\) and the requirements for demonstrating completeness.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with some providing guidance on how to find a suitable Cauchy sequence. There is a recognition of the need to clarify the definition of convergence within the context of \(Y\), and some participants are confirming their understanding of the requirements for the proof.

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There is an ongoing discussion about the definitions and properties of sequences in \(Y\), as well as the implications of convergence for sequences with finitely many non-zero terms. Some participants express uncertainty about how to approach the problem effectively.

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Homework Statement


(1) Prove the space [tex]\ell_\infty[/tex] is complete
(2)In [tex]\ell_\infty[/tex](R) , let Y be the subspace of all sequences with only finitely many non-0 terms. Prove that Y is not complete.

The Attempt at a Solution



(1)I can show that [tex]\ell\infty[/tex] is complete by taking an arbitrary cauchy sequence and showing that xn[tex]\rightarrow[/tex] x

(2)Im not sure how to go about this.I figure the best wat to show that its not complete is to try to prove that it is complete?but I am not sure where to start?
 
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The best way to show it's not complete is to find a Cauchy sequence in Y whose limit is not in Y.
 


i have to find a sequence in R that doesn't converge in Y? I am not sure now to go about this?
 


gtfitzpatrick said:
i have to find a sequence in R that doesn't converge in Y? I am not sure now to go about this?

A sequence in Y whose limit is not in Y. I.e. a sequence of sequences with finitely many nonzero terms converging to a sequence that doesn't have that property. Think about it.
 


so i want a sequence with finitely many zeros but i want it to converge to 0 right?
0, 1, 1/2, 1/3, 1/4... converges to 0 which isn't in Y thus proving that Y isn't complete?
Is that really all i have to say?
 


One sequence is a POINT in Y. To talk about convergence in Y you need a sequence of points in Y. I.e. a sequence of sequences that converges to another sequence.
 


yes,sorry

(0,0,0,...)
(0,1,0,0..)
(0,1,1/2,0,0..)
(0,1,1/2,1/3,0,0..)
(0,1,1/2,1/3,1/4,0,...)

is this what you mean by a sequence of sequences?
Thanks again for all the help
 


That's it.
 

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