Complex Differentiation sin(z) & cos(z)

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The discussion revolves around the differentiation of complex functions, specifically focusing on the definitions and derivatives of the sine and cosine functions in terms of the exponential function. Participants are exploring the relationships between these functions and their derivatives.

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  • The original poster attempts to define sine and cosine using their exponential forms and seeks help with algebraic manipulation. Some participants suggest starting with the definition of the exponential function to facilitate understanding. Others question the original poster's understanding of the complex derivative and encourage a deeper exploration of the exponential function's properties.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing guidance on foundational concepts, particularly the exponential function. There is an emphasis on understanding the definitions before proceeding with differentiation. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored, particularly regarding the application of the complex derivative.

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Hi There,

I'm currently using the definition of exponential functions:

e^z=(e^x)(e^iy)

I need help defining:

sin(z)=(e^(iz)-e(-iz))/(2i)
cos(z)=(e^(iz)+e(-iz))/(2)

And showing that

sin'(z) = cos(z)
cos'(z) = -sin(z)
(sin(z))^2+(cos(z))^2=1

Any help would be appreciated. I'm thinking the CR equations need to be used, but it's just the algebraic manipulation I'm having problems with.

Thanks.
 
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Do you know what the complex derivative of the exponential function is? Then you can just use the linearity of the derivative to calculate the derivative of sin(z) directly from its exponential form
 
I actually do not know the derivative of the exponential function.
 
Well, let's start with that then. One of the main reasons to define sin(z) and cos(z) in that fashion is to take advantage of what we know about exp(z) -- so we should learn about exp(z) first!


The beginning is often a good place to start. What is the definition of exp(z)?

I suppose you said that you're taking exp(z) = ex eiy. (where, I assume, you're equating z with x + iy)

Well, what is ex? What is eiy? And how does one compute the complex derivative of a function when you've broken the argument into real and imaginary pieces?
 
Hurkyl said:
Well, let's start with that then. One of the main reasons to define sin(z) and cos(z) in that fashion is to take advantage of what we know about exp(z) -- so we should learn about exp(z) first!


The beginning is often a good place to start. What is the definition of exp(z)?

I suppose you said that you're taking exp(z) = ex eiy. (where, I assume, you're equating z with x + iy)

Well, what is ex? What is eiy? And how does one compute the complex derivative of a function when you've broken the argument into real and imaginary pieces?

Well thinking about it, the exponential function is
e^z=(e^x)(e^iy)=(e^x)( cos(y)+i(sin(y)) ).
It's derivative I'm guessing is the four partial's where
u(x,y) = e^x(cos(y)) and,
v(x,y) = e^x(sin(y)).
Then ux=vy
and uy=-vx

So with this, must we turn e^iz into cos(z)+isin(z)?
Then differentiating with respect to Z, I'm again confused, do we turn this into z = x + iy?
 
ryanj123 said:
It's derivative I'm guessing
Don't guess! Surely your textbook has something to say on the issue?

(Note that the guess you actually made doesn't really make sense...)

Guessing has its place in mathematics. Guessing at the definition of an established technical term is not one of those places, particularly when it's definition is readily available.
 
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