How Do You Solve Complex Number Equations?

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The discussion focuses on solving complex number equations, specifically two problems involving the variable z and the expression (a + bi). For the first problem, participants suggest moving all z terms to one side and solving algebraically, while noting the complexity of manipulating the equation. In the second problem, there is confusion about deriving simultaneous equations from the squared expression, with advice given to equate real and imaginary parts correctly. Participants emphasize correcting sign errors and using substitution methods to simplify quadratic forms. Overall, the thread seeks hints and tips rather than direct answers for better understanding of complex number equations.
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Please, do not give me answers to these questions, I just want to have some hints/tips to point me in the correct direction, or if you're so inclined, you can use another similar/relevant to help me understand this concept. Thanks!

Homework Statement


a.) [/B]Given that z/(z + 2) = 2-i, z ∈ ℂ, find z in the form a+bi
b.) Given that (a + bi)2 = 3 + 4i obtain a pair of simultaneous equations involving a and b. Hence find the two square roots of 3 + 4i.

Homework Equations


None, should be basic logic/algebra.

The Attempt at a Solution


a.)[/B]
z = (z + 2)(2 - i) = 2z - zi + 4 - 2i = 2z + 4 - zi - 2i
Is it then right to say that:
z = a + bi ∴ a = 2z + 4, b = -z - 2 ?
However, that's not very helpful.
I could plug z into the original equation and try to do some long algebra:
2 - i = z/(z + 2) = (2z + 4 - zi - 2i)/(2z + 4 - zi - 2i + 2)
2 - i = (2z + 4 - zi - 2i) / (2z + 6 - zi - 2i)
2 - i = [2z + 4 - (z + 2)i] / [2z + 6 - (z - 2)i]
I could at this point multiply by the conjugate to get reals out of the denominator but that's a lot of work and I feel like I've already missed the point of this, as the question isn't worth too many points.
So, the most meaningful information I've presented relevant to this question (I think) is:
z = 2z + 4 - zi - 2i
2 - i = [2z + 4 - (z + 2)i] / [2z + 6 - (z - 2)i]

b.)
(a + bi)2 = (a + bi)(a + bi) = a2 + 2abi + b2
a2 + 2abi + b2 = 3 + 4i
a2 + b2 + 2abi = 3 + 4i
Hence, is it right to say that:
a2 + b2 = 3, 2ab = 4, so ab = 2 ?
This would mean that a = 2/b and likewise, b = 2/a
I can try substituting this into the other equation:
(2/b)2 + b2 = 3
(4/b2) + b2 = 3
4 + b4 = 3b2
4 = 3b2 - b4
Unfortunately, from here I'm completely lost, even though it's basic algebra, I can't quite put my finger on the next move. In fact, I'm not even sure if I've been doing anything remotely correct to this point.

Thank you all for any help you can offer me!
 
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teetar said:
Please, do not give me answers to these questions, I just want to have some hints/tips to point me in the correct direction, or if you're so inclined, you can use another similar/relevant to help me understand this concept. Thanks!

Homework Statement


a.) [/B]Given that z/(z + 2) = 2-i, z ∈ ℂ, find z in the form a+bi
b.) Given that (a + bi)2 = 3 + 4i obtain a pair of simultaneous equations involving a and b. Hence find the two square roots of 3 + 4i.

Homework Equations


None, should be basic logic/algebra.

The Attempt at a Solution


a.)[/B]
z = (z + 2)(2 - i) = 2z - zi + 4 - 2i = 2z + 4 - zi - 2i
Is it then right to say that:
z = a + bi ∴ a = 2z + 4, b = -z - 2 ?
No. You have z = 2z -zi + 4 - 2i
Move all the z terms to one side, and solve algebraically for z.
teetar said:
However, that's not very helpful.
I could plug z into the original equation and try to do some long algebra:
2 - i = z/(z + 2) = (2z + 4 - zi - 2i)/(2z + 4 - zi - 2i + 2)
2 - i = (2z + 4 - zi - 2i) / (2z + 6 - zi - 2i)
2 - i = [2z + 4 - (z + 2)i] / [2z + 6 - (z - 2)i]
I could at this point multiply by the conjugate to get reals out of the denominator but that's a lot of work and I feel like I've already missed the point of this, as the question isn't worth too many points.
So, the most meaningful information I've presented relevant to this question (I think) is:
z = 2z + 4 - zi - 2i
2 - i = [2z + 4 - (z + 2)i] / [2z + 6 - (z - 2)i]

b.)
(a + bi)2 = (a + bi)(a + bi) = a2 + 2abi + b2
You have a mistake right off the bat.
(bi)(bi) ##\neq## b2
teetar said:
a2 + 2abi + b2 = 3 + 4i
a2 + b2 + 2abi = 3 + 4i
Hence, is it right to say that:
a2 + b2 = 3, 2ab = 4, so ab = 2 ?
This would mean that a = 2/b and likewise, b = 2/a
I can try substituting this into the other equation:
(2/b)2 + b2 = 3
(4/b2) + b2 = 3
4 + b4 = 3b2
4 = 3b2 - b4
Unfortunately, from here I'm completely lost, even though it's basic algebra, I can't quite put my finger on the next move. In fact, I'm not even sure if I've been doing anything remotely correct to this point.

Thank you all for any help you can offer me!
 
For part b, you were on the right track by equating the real parts and imaginary parts. That is, assuming a and b are purely real.
Fix the sign error pointed out above and you should be in the clear.
If you again come to a point where you have a problem like ##b^4+Cb^2+D=0##, remember to substitute ##b^2=x## and solve like any other quadratic.
 
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