Complex numbers ordering: Is there a consistent order for complex numbers?

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There is no consistent way to order complex numbers due to their definition in a two-dimensional plane, unlike real numbers which are one-dimensional. The discussion highlights that an "ordered field" requires specific properties that cannot be satisfied by complex numbers. Attempts to establish an order lead to contradictions, such as deriving that both i > 0 and i < 0, which is impossible. The properties of addition and multiplication in an ordered field further complicate the situation when applied to complex numbers. Ultimately, the conclusion is that complex numbers cannot be ordered consistently.
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i have 1 question..
the question is: Given any 2 distinct real numbers a and b, exactly one a<b or b<a must be true. The real numbers are said to be ordered. Show that there is no ordering of the complex numbers.

my problems is not understand that orders~~anybody help me?
 
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Well, complex numbers are defined in a plane, while real numbers are defined along a line. See how there could be a problem in ordering complex numbers?
 
An "ordered field" is a field (so we have the usual rules for addition and multiplication) together with an order, x< y, such that:
1) if a< b, then a+ c< b+ c
2) if a< b and 0< c, then ac< bc
3) For any a and b one and only of
i) a= b
ii) a< b
iii) b< a
is true.

Clearly i\ne 0 so by (3) we must have either i> 0 or i< 0.

If i> 0 then, multiplying both sides by i, by (2), i(i)> i(0) or -1> 0. That is not, by itself a contradiction since this is not necessarily the "regular" order on the real numbers. But since -1> 0, multiplying both sides of i> 0 by -1, by (2) again, (-1)(i)> (-1)(0) so that -i> 0. Now add i to both sides- by (1), -i+ i> 0+ i or 0> i which contradicts i> 0.

If i< 0, then, adding -i to both sides, by (1), i- i< 0- i or 0< -i. Multiplying both sides of i< 0 by -i, by (2), (-i)(i)< (-i)(0) or 1< 0. Adding -1 to both sides, by (1), 0< -1. Again that is not itself a contradiction but multiplying both sides of i< 0 by -1, by (2), i(-1)< 0(-1) or -i< 0. Adding i to both sides, -i+ i< 0+ i so 0< i which does contradict i< 0.
 
Multiplying an inequality by a negative number inverts the direction of the inequality
 
planck42 said:
Multiplying an inequality by a negative number inverts the direction of the inequality
In the usual order relation on the real numbers, yes, but that has nothing to do with the problem here.
 
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