Compressed air lift question (thermodynamics)

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a platform supported by compressed air in a cylinder, requiring calculations of the new position and maximum velocity after adding a 50kg mass. Participants are exploring the relationship between mass, height, and pressure, noting the importance of understanding the force balance on the piston. The pressure force, calculated as F_P = PA, is highlighted as crucial for determining the area of the piston and the initial volume of the cylinder. Clarification is sought on the implications of the closed system, particularly regarding pressure and temperature stability. The conversation emphasizes the need for a clear connection between pressure, force, and the resulting height changes in the system.
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Homework Statement


A platform is supported on a piston by compressed air in a cylinder.
The mass of the platform and equipment being lifted is 1100kg. The pressure needed to
support this mass is 800kPa, and it rests initially at a height of 0.5m. The pressure supply
is closed so that no gas enters or leaves the cylinder. One of the pieces of equipment with a
mass of 50kg is moved o the platform. The entire system is at room temperature (300K)
(a) What is the new position of the platform? (b) What is its maximum velocity?


Homework Equations



W=PdV
PV=nRT


The Attempt at a Solution



I'm having trouble trying to find an equation that relates mass and height, that can also be related to pressure. There is no radius given, so I do not know how to find the volume of the ccylinder. Also, I am wondering what "no gas enters or leaves the cylinder" means in terms of pressure/temperature etc.
 
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Consider a force balance on the piston. The weight of the piston, mg, is balanced by what force?
 
Undoubtedly0 said:
Consider a force balance on the piston. The weight of the piston, mg, is balanced by what force?

It would be balanced by normal force given by f=-mg?

I can use this to calculate the area using P=F/A which is constant.

Given this I can find P when the 50kg mass is removed.

But how do I relate this to the height?
 
hahaha158 said:
It would be balanced by normal force given by f=-mg?

I can use this to calculate the area using P=F/A which is constant.

You are close. What you call a "normal force" is actually the force due to pressure, F_P = PA (where P=800\,\mathrm{kPa}). It is this force that balances the weight of the piston. In other words, this relationship allows you to find the area of the piston, and hence the initial volume of the cylinder.
 
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