Compton Scattering experiment help

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The discussion revolves around the Compton Collision experiment, specifically exploring which aspects can be explained using classical models versus those that require the photon model. Participants are examining the interplay between classical physics and quantum mechanics in the context of Compton scattering.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss different methods to analyze Compton scattering, including the use of momentum and energy conservation, and the implications of treating photons as particles versus waves. Questions arise regarding the definitions of classical and quantum models in this context.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the relationship between classical and photon models in explaining Compton scattering. Some guidance has been provided regarding the use of energy-frequency relations and the significance of different regimes in scattering processes. Multiple interpretations of the models are being considered without a clear consensus yet.

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Participants are navigating the definitions of classical and quantum mechanics, particularly in relation to the treatment of light in the Compton experiment. There is mention of specific scattering regimes, which may imply a need for further clarification on the scope of the problem.

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What parts of the Compton Collision experiment can be explained using classical models and which require the "photon" model?

Anyone can help me with this question?
 
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Hmm...I'm not sure what you mean. I know there are a couple of ways to treat Compton scattering. The first way involves finding the frequency (or wavelength) shift in the Compton-scattered photon. This can be done by imposing momentum and energy conservation on the system as well as the following relations for the photon:

[tex]E = hf[/tex]
[tex]E = pc[/tex]

That's where you get the following equation:

[tex]\lambda' - \lambda = \dfrac{h}{mc}(1-cos(\theta))[/tex]

The energy-frequency relation for a photon is basically how we relate the wave and particle theories of light. The energy-momentum relation is pretty much just relativity with the understanding that the photon is a massless particle. So I guess that even here we're using "classical" and "photon" models. Depending on your definition of quantum mechanics though, even treating the photon as a particle is still "classical physics."

Now you can also use quantum field theory to write out the Feynman diagram for Compton scattering (since it's a quantum electrodynamic process). That's how you can calculate the scattering cross-section for this process. It's pretty important for us in astrophysics, since scattering works differently in the Thompson regime (low energy) and Klein-Nishina regime (high energy). I don't know if you're supposed to worry about that though.

You could probably work out the energy change in a photon by treating it as simple classical scattering. But to turn that into a frequency you'd need to use the "photon model."
 
thx for the reply.
Photon model means that treating it as particle, while classical model means that it was treated as wave.
 
The Thompson cross section mentioned by arunma is a "classical" result, you can derive it using the Maxwell equations.
 

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